Speaking of wind flags I just got a set of the old school wick wind flags from Ray Hill and Bob; let me tell you guys something I am so glad he brought these back. Their craftsmanship is second to none, he makes them just like the where mint be, they are threaded on the ends so you can take the whirly gigs off for easy travel the stands are very sturdy but light and the best thing they backs everything they make so take a look at all the flags they make I have a set of everything he sales .very nice people Great to do business with your ARA friend Joe Chacon