Bottom Metal for the CZ 527

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jdjframes

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Anyone know of anyone making a hinged floorplate and internal magazine for the CZ 527? This cute little action is straddled with one of the most hideous magazine systens ever.

I have the Calhoon single shot adapter and CZ 3 shot magazines. They help considerable, but leave lots of room for improvement.

There will be some modification of the action to provide cartridge control now provided by the lips of the magazine.

Anyway, just wondering.

To me, the only function of a detachable magazine is to get lost at the most inopportune time.

Thanks.

Jim
 
I have two CZ527's, a .22 Hornet and a .223Rem. Both have the single set trigger, both are very accurate. I love the Micro Mauser Action. I use them exclusively for PBR ground hog hunting. I did just enough ammo development to get loads that shoot into dime size or smaller 3 shot groups (even my Hornet does that, it doesn't know Hornets aren't supposed to be accurate), loaded up a bunch, and went hunting. Scope zero check, fouling shots, and killing game are the only reasons I squeeze the trigger on either one of them.

These are three shot group rifles. Most important, they will both shoot dime size or smaller cold bore groups (half hour or more between shots). IMO, the cold bore group size is the only one that counts on a hunting rifle.

I hunt ground hogs with one or both of them two or three times a week in the summer. I take them both to farms and use which ever one is most appropriate for the venu. I've never had an issue with the magazines in either rifle. Mine have been used so much, and the actions cycled so much, they operate smoothly and have that "good" just right mechanical feel. If anything happened to either of those rifles, I'd go buy another one just like it. There may be rifles as good for the hunting I do, but I've never seen any better. And they didn't cost an arm and a leg either.

But I digress.

I see the detachable magazine as a big feature in a hunting rifle, especially a walk around ground hog rifle on the farms where I hunt. The ease with which one can load or clear the rifle with no fear of dropping rounds into mud, dirt, or vegetation, is a big feature to me. I'm extremely careful hunting farms. I unload before I approach the barn/house area on foot, crossing fences, or before sticking the rifle in the scabbard on the ATV. Reload when I'm back out in the field. I may convert my Remington 700BDL in .17 Remington to a magazine one of these days. It would get more use if it had a magazine.

Fitch

PS: FWIW: The CZ Hornet shoots either 35g V-Max or 34g DogTown bullets in Win brass, seated just short enough to fit in the magazine, into clover leafs pushed by 13.3g of Lil'Gun with WSR primers. The CZ American .223 sporter shoots 40g NBT in Win brass seated ~0.020" off the lands into tiny little groups @ ~ 3,600 fps pushed by 28.0g of AA2460 lit by any small rifle primer. There may be faster loads, but there are few more dependable in this rifle. I know of at least 3 CZ527 .223 sporter rifles that all shoot this same load into dime size groups with the reliability of gravity. Hit a GH with either load and he's DRT.

frw
 
Don't get me wrong. I like the 527 and also have a Hornet & .223. Both have Calhoon single shot adapters and have had the magazine gussets removed to clean up the guard line. Plan to shorten the magazine release levers so they don't stick below the stock line. May have to use a cartridge rim to drop the mag, but it looks better. Looks may, or may not, matter, but if one has a detachable magazine it should look nice.

My Hornet with Lil'Gun will outshoot the .223.

CZ has managed to produce a fine little rifle at a good price. It is a shame that Americn gun makers won't do the same. I know, I know Cooper is out there. Out of my price range too!

Thanks.

Jim
 
jdjframes said:
Don't get me wrong. I like the 527 and also have a Hornet & .223. Both have Calhoon single shot adapters and have had the magazine gussets removed to clean up the guard line. Plan to shorten the magazine release levers so they don't stick below the stock line. May have to use a cartridge rim to drop the mag, but it looks better. Looks may, or may not, matter, but if one has a detachable magazine it should look nice.

My Hornet with Lil'Gun will outshoot the .223.

CZ has managed to produce a fine little rifle at a good price. It is a shame that Americn gun makers won't do the same. I know, I know Cooper is out there. Out of my price range too!

Thanks.

Jim
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Jim,

Try the 40g NBT/AA2460 load some time. I think you will like it!

I agree they should look nice. The magazine doesn't bother me, but I like good looking wood. (Every body has their "thing".) The wood on CZ's is sort of pot luck - ranges from plain Jane to striking. So when I bought my .223 I asked my favorite dealer to let me know when he got in one with pretty wood. A few months later he called me on the phone and said "Fitch, that .223 CZ you were waiting for just arrived." I was walking out of the store with it an hour later and never looked back.

The wood looks like this:

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It's tiger striped end to end. After 5 years of being lugged around farm fields, it has the honest wear of a hunting rifle used often but with some care, the action cycles perfectly with all the moving parts well used to each other. The dealer took good care of me with this one. It's a genuine joy to own.

I shot a ground hog (#22 for the year) with it this morning in fact. 204 yards, sitting off sticks with a 5 to 10 mph cross wind. Little guy who wouldn't come all the way out of his hole. 1 shot and DRT.

Fitch
 
Fitch,

I have been shooting the 40 grain Ballistic Tip/28.0 grains of AA2460 in my Jim Ketchum built, Hart barreled .223 since the early 90's. Absolutely fantastic load. Does about 3795 fps out of my barrel. Ketchum told me to try 2460 when he delivered the gun...I thought he was high. Boy, was he right.

When I first tried it, 29.0 was max. It was tough getting that much in a case and 28.0 shot so well, that I left well enough alone. Accurate now lists 26.9 as max.

Justin
 
Thanks for the RVB link......

I've done over 100 of these trigger guards and magazines. I've had folks tell me they wouldn't buy the gun if I didn't offer this sevice.

Cz now has a Model 527 M1 American that has a flush magazine from the factory:

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Here is what my conversion looks like:

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Thanks!
 
jdjframes said:
This outfit certainly helps, but doesn't completely solve the problem. Several American Custom Gunmakers Guild members either don't work on the CZ or don't recommend the conversion due to the small size of the receiver - not enough metal for safe work. Guess I will stick with the single shot adapters and slicked off trigger guards.

Think Sako L461!

Thanks.

Jim
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I certainly don't see why they wouldn't work on it.

I've rebarreled a few rifles and done some amature gunsmithing for myself or family members. I don't see any reason to not work on the CZ527. For any of the .223 sized centerfire cartridges, their varients, and smaller it's a beautifully designed receiver. .223, .17 Remington, .20 Practical/Tactical, .222, .204 Ruger, .222 Mag, .221 Fireball, .17 Fireball, any of the .19's, or the small twenties, .22 Hornet and any of the Hornet varients, and probably some others I've omitted, it's a great receiver. Just right for that size cartridge.

The trigger guard conversion doesn't mess with the receiver at all, or any part of the pressure boundry, just the bottom metal and the magazine sheetmetal. I haven't modified mine because I like having a 5 round magazine, but I can't see any legitimate safety reason not to modify it. In fact CZ now makes rifles that have the short magazine.

Frankly, I suspect their alledged refusal to work on it to be a matter of not wanting to bother. Other than if someone asked them to fit in a larger cartridge, which can't be done, the whole size thing is a smoke screen.

FWIW: CZ sells actions, at least they are in Jerry's catalog. The 527 action is available with Hornet bolt or .223 bolt, in the white, for under $400.00 dealer cost. I've considered having my FFL friend get me one, but the whole rifle is only $650 so I haven't bothered.

Fitch
 
frwillia said:
I certainly don't see why they wouldn't work on it.

I've rebarreled a few rifles and done some amature gunsmithing for myself or family members. I don't see any reason to not work on the CZ527. For any of the .223 sized centerfire cartridges, their varients, and smaller it's a beautifully designed receiver. .223, .17 Remington, .20 Practical/Tactical, .222, .204 Ruger, .222 Mag, .221 Fireball, .17 Fireball, any of the .19's, or the small twenties, .22 Hornet and any of the Hornet varients, and probably some others I've omitted, it's a great receiver. Just right for that size cartridge.

The trigger guard conversion doesn't mess with the receiver at all, or any part of the pressure boundry, just the bottom metal and the magazine sheetmetal. I haven't modified mine because I like having a 5 round magazine, but I can't see any legitimate safety reason not to modify it. In fact CZ now makes rifles that have the short magazine.

Frankly, I suspect their alledged refusal to work on it to be a matter of not wanting to bother. Other than if someone asked them to fit in a larger cartridge, which can't be done, the whole size thing is a smoke screen.

FWIW: CZ sells actions, at least they are in Jerry's catalog. The 527 action is available with Hornet bolt or .223 bolt, in the white, for under $400.00 dealer cost. I've considered having my FFL friend get me one, but the whole rifle is only $650 so I haven't bothered.

Fitch
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I guess if one has all the jigs & fixtures, or CNC programming, for Mauser 98s or Winchester 70s and can appearently sell all the floorplate units one can make, why bother with anything new.

One ACGMG member said he could make a unit for $850 - $950. A bit steep!

I just may get with a friend, drag out the hacksaw, files, hammer and torch to see what we can cobble up.

Jim
 
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