Berger 108's and BRX

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captbill

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I am considering rechambering my 6br to brx and thinking of the 108 bergers. This would be for fclass out to 1000 yards. It shoots the old 105's nice to 600 but I think the brx conversion would work better beyond 600. Barrel has a low round count, 28" 1in8 twist.

Any thoughts??
 
I have 2 f-class rigs chambered in 6BRX shooting 108 Bergers and I think for most range conditions you'll encounter, you won't find a more satisfying setup. Low recoil with excellent accuracy.
Pete
 
captbill,

Since your BR shoots fine at 600 just as it is it will also shoot fine at 1K with the program you already have. Since you have a low round count on your barrel, I suggest you just keep shooting the chamber you have and if you need some variety try some different components. Save the money you would have spent for dies and chambering on more bullets and powder.

Raising the velocity a little won't reduce drift much at all. That really requires a significant change in BC and that requires a change in caliber and cartridge. But if you just have to satisfy the change something itch, I'll help with some useful rationalizations.

Greg
 
6mmbrx conversion

One of the problems is I have not been able to get it to shoot at 1000. Many cleans NRA highpower at 600 but it does not seem to have the velocity it needs past 600.My buddies have told me that at 1000 the rounds are no longer supersonic.

The only thing I need is a reamer to reset the head space ( I can do this) and to fireform some brass. My dies and everything are the same save that the shoulder is pushed forward .100 and ofcourse the neck is a bit shorter.
 
captbill,

I think your friends are probably guessing and guessing wrong. Do your target pullers report sub-sonic impacts or yawing bullets? What's your vertical like. Plenty of folks shoot your combo in 1K benchrest with great results.

F-Class is a different kettle of fish because of the much longer interval between shots and the resulting much greater change in condition between shots. In benchrest you can get your shots off in less than 30 seconds but in F-Class we're talking about 10 minutes or so. So the problem that confronts you is that your bullets drift more, a lot more at 1K than at 600 in moa in an identical condition and in 10 minutes you get a lot more condition change than a benchrest shooter deals with. You can't address this with a minor change in velocity. An additional 150 fps won't turn a mid-nine into a ten.

Just as an aside, without running the numbers I'd bet that the small reduction in drift that you get from the Dasher's greater velocity would be completely undone by the lesser bc of the 108's you want to try compared to the 105's you're shooting now.

The difference in your results between 600 and 1K are universal. Everybody shoots better scores at 600. At the Nationals this year I was in the top 10 at 600 with my 6BR. Much different story after we moved back to 1K. If you want to minimize that difference between 600 and 1K you'll have to do it by improving bc. The top dogs are running 7mm's in spite of the recoil for the higher bc -reduced drift they offer.

These pictures are a 600 yd target from the last BR match at Piedmont and the last NC 1000 match that I shot that same month, both shot with that same 6BR as the F-Class Nats. Conditions were not much different for the two targets. And I don't think that these targets show any meaningful loss of acuracy between 600 and 1K. Both five shot groups went down-range in about the same time it takes to get one shot off in F-Class. The first three shots made the wad in the middle of the 1K group according to my target puller. Who knows what faster shooting might have produced. Fishtailing wind are tough. A little more velocity wouldn't have changed much for me though and probably won't for you either.

For F-Class I need better wind reading skills and strategy as most of us do. But I'm screwing a 7mm together for F-Class to help. If you want to change your rig to reduce drift increasing caliber and bc will be more rewarding than increasing velocity.

Greg
 

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No they are reporting subsonic and they do know. My frame of referance is from my Palma Riflewith 155's. Which maybe a better choice but has no provisions for a scope and I realy dont want that reciever monkied with.
Maybe I will try a differant load then sticking with the 105's.
 
captbill,

I shouldn't have presumed that your buds were incorrect about the speed of your bullets at 1K. Sorry.

I don't think your Palma rifle would be a better choice. It should be much easier to keep a 6BR clipping along at 1K than a Palma rifle with 155s, especially if you're shooting SMK 2155s. And a long 6mm bullet out of a BR will blow around a lot less than any 308 Win.

Many are shooting Varget in the 30.0-30.5gr range for 2850-2900 fps with 105-108gr bullets with satisfying results and plenty of remaining velocity at 1K What's your load and what is your velocity now?

But like I said before, if you want some help with rationalizations for a chamber change I'm happy to oblige. I have lots of my own that I can share.

Greg
 
I have not shot any of the Berger 108s but would think that the older 105 VLDs would be an immediate change to look at. Something with a better BC.

Also, at 2850 fps you may be getting close to subsonic at 1K. I had muzzle velocities just a bit lower than that about 2820 out of a 26" tube that started to drop below the SS and accuracy went to pot.

My BRX is shooting 107 SMKs at 3050 out of a 30 inch tube and accuracy at both 600 and 1K is excellent.

I would do some testing across a chrono for velocity to confirm what was actually coming out of my muzzle.

Another item, your loading techniques will be magnified by 1K shooting vs 600 yds. Single digit SDs will be required if you are looking for any type of decent scores at 1K. Everything matters at that range.

Bob
 
In the past I've gotten S107MKs to 1k out of a 6 BR @ ~2700fps. Unless there is something very, very wrong with your load, you will probably be moving faster than that - and should be supersonic. Those little six mil projectiles don't make much of a snap, but they do crack overhead.
 
br vs brx

I think I will go back and rework my 6mmbr loads. I believe you guys are right in that they should still be stable at 1000. I am just confused a bit because it shoots so nice out to 600.
 
The trick with a BRX is...

to find that happy median in the 3000-3080 fps accuracy node.

Brass and barrels life doubles, groups are fantastic, and cost of shooting is less than any other 6mm.

Nat Lambeth
 
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