Bat 6ppc/308 Bolt Face

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haweskg

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There is a Bat 3 lug action for sale in the classifieds, specified as 6ppc/308 bolt face. Is that some kind of a dual bolt face option? They don't mention anything about it on the Bat web site. If it is some kind of a dual bolt face how is that done and does it detract from accuracy?

Any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
KG
 
I have the exact action you are speaking about. All it is, is a 308 bolt face that will also pull and eject a ppc size case head. There are no accuracy issues. I think it is a great feature as it allows me to shoot a 6ppc and a 30BR all off the same action. All i have to do is switch out the barrel. Buy it and be glad you did! Lee
 
the stiller diamonback i just bought is set up the same as well,thats exactly why i bought it too.

bill
 
One caution, I think that there have been two types of extractors fitted to the 3-lugs, and for that reason I would call BAT. What may work with one, may not with the other.
 
So, the case head not being completely captured/surrounded by the bolt doesn't hurt case alignment? Is that because the case is pretty much aligned by the chamber?

I will check with Bat about the extractor.

Thanks,
KG
 
haweskg said:
So, the case head not being completely captured/surrounded by the bolt doesn't hurt case alignment? Is that because the case is pretty much aligned by the chamber?

I will check with Bat about the extractor.

Thanks,
KG
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KG...... it's even more than that.

Not only does the bolt not capture/surround tha casehead but IT'D BETTER NOT TOUCH IT!!! I greatly prefer the larger (.473 or ".308 size") because it has less chance of ever touching. I once thought "fitting the boltface for support" would add accuracy, boy was I wrong! I spent the money, got the morphodite thing running and then paid to get it fixed.

I was further supporting my (theoretical :rolleyes: ) contention that the bf could "contain the casehead against expansion"..... it "stood to reason" in my fevered mind. Wrong-wrong WRONG!!! A completely bass-ackward "solution" to a non-problem.


Horrible.....


Boyd though poses an interesting question, call BAT between 3 and 5 PST. 208 687 0341

al
 
Al
I was wondering that exact thing. It just makes since to me to not have anything possibly binding the case while its in the chamber. I am glad you explained that! Thanks man!! Lee
 
So all that being said, it appears to me that even if I had no plans for shooting another cartridge the larger bolt face would be the better choice, as opposed to a PPC specific one?

What are the approximate clearances on the PPC bolt face? Do they purposely enlarge it a little?

What would you do if you wanted to shoot 308 head size, select the next size up or have it enlarged?

Thanks for the input, it has been very helpful and very much appreciated!

KG
 
6ppc to 308

the difference in this action, is it has a sako extractor, and will pull either case. with the other extractor, you have to have a different extractor for each one.
 
I'm assuming a Win. Model 70 bolt for a .270 would not be suitable for a 6PPC barrel/chamber???

(I know the 6BR would be a better choice - if a person had brass, sizing dies, reamer, etc.)

Thanks,
Tony Carpenter
 
Tony C said:
I'm assuming a Win. Model 70 bolt for a .270 would not be suitable for a 6PPC barrel/chamber???

(I know the 6BR would be a better choice - if a person had brass, sizing dies, reamer, etc.)

Thanks,
Tony Carpenter
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It all depends, there's only ~0.030" difference in the rim diameters of the PPC and standard Mauser ('06, .308, etc). I had a Panda with a standard bolt face for a BR case, and it worked just fine with a PPC too. Case extraction was just fine, although Kelbly's apparently makes a PPC extractor for their standard bolt face bolts.

In a Model 70 with the positive feed extractor it might or might not work, but I'd bet the push feed extractors would extract. For a live varmint rifle the BR would be a preferable round though IMHO.
 
If you have a BAT with a ejector, they will all be sako extractors. The difference between just a ppc or just a .308 boltface is in the angle and cut for the extractor. They cut three different angles, one for ppc, one for 308 and one for the combo. Why...I don't know....but that is what they do. You can not have a bolt converted either.

With bolts without a ejector. You can just replace the extractor in a .308 dedicated bolt to pull a ppc. You will need to switch back to the other extractor when you use it for a .308 because the one for the ppc will apply a lot of pressure on the .308 rim and sometimes will not slide over the rim very easily.

Hovis
 
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