Barrel break-in, continued

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chino69

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I know this has been discussed before but I would like to share the story of two barrels. This is not a scientific study with a control barrel and a statistical number of samples to validate the data, just a regular guy breaking in two barrels differently. I have two new Kreiger barrels chambered by Clarence Hammonds of Red Lion, PA. One of the barrels is a 6mm BR .265 nd., the other is a .22-250 AI .250 nd. I have a Hawkeye borescope. Everything I've ever read about barrel break in purpose was to polish out the tiny circumferential marks left by the reamer in the throat area. These marks are unavoidable in the best of reamers and the reamers used were Henricksen reamers.

When I received the barrels, I cleaned them carefully and inspected the freshly reamed barrels in detail. They both had tiny circumferential marks in the throat area, however, with the Henricksen reamers the marks were symmetrical and in the same location on each land. I now know why gunsmiths praise his reamers. At any rate, both barrels were examined many times thoroughly and the location of the marks was noted. The 6mm BR barrel was not broken in the conventional one shot, clean method. I loaded twenty fireforming rounds and shot them, working up loads. At the end of every twenty shot cycle the barrel was cleaned conventionally and JB'ed at 100 rds. The barrel now has 130 rds. through it and the tiny reamer marks are polishing out nicely. The .22-250 AI barrel was broke in the one shot, clean method. After break in, twenty round groups were fired with conventional cleaning. The barrel was JB'ed after 100 rds. and has 130 rds. through it. A thorough examination shows the tiny reamer marks polishing out nicely.

The point I'm trying to make is that these tiny circumferential marks are going to be polished out by the firing process, not the cleaning regimen. As long as your cleaning regimen is efficient and you don't allow copper or carbon to build up, one shot barrel break in is a waste of time. Again the disclaimer:
this was not a scientific statsistically approved comparison using a double blind model traceable to the Bureau of Standards, just a regular guy observation using a borescope. Somebody convince me otherwise.
Chino69
 
ME Too

Same feelings nothing scientific just scoping & shooting but I also think the breakin is over rated im going to try 5 & clean next one.Then all barrels are different in 10 years i may have a gut feeling thing for each different barrel?Got To Love Benchrest.Jim
 
Guys, I've told people for years that for the most part the only thing you are breaking in on a good barrel is the throat. The nicer the finish left in the throat left from the finish reamer/throater the faster this will polish and smooth out like Chino69 noted. (I like Hugh's very much also!)

The rougher the throat the fouling can be heavy in the beginning and will take longer to break in etc...

I tell guys when I take a new barrel to the range I might shoot one round and clean for the first two or will even shoot a group of 5 right away. I look to see what the barrel is telling me. If getting little to no copper out of it and accuracy is there I don't waste my time with it. I just sit down and shoot it.

If copper is heavy it can be from the roughness of the throat. Again I will just shoot the gun and clean it. Some copper in the bore is normal. If it keeps building up and accuracy goes sour than you have a fouling problem and that could be a combination of things.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
 
In my limited experience

The barrels that are going to copper will copper. I have had a couple that coppered badly all the while I shot them. Both were good shooting barrels and one of them is a great shooting barrel. One of them had inclusions that fell out as it was used. The barrel looked like a Moonscape but shot great.

I have also had a couple of barrels that did not copper much , if any. Why is dis?
 
Barrel Breakin?

A waste of time and elbow grease, but that's just my .10 cents worth. Inflation you know.

Best regards to all

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
Barrel break in

Guys, I've told people for years that for the most part the only thing you are breaking in on a good barrel is the throat. The nicer the finish left in the throat left from the finish reamer/throater the faster this will polish and smooth out like Chino69 noted. (I like Hugh's very much also!)

The rougher the throat the fouling can be heavy in the beginning and will take longer to break in etc...

I tell guys when I take a new barrel to the range I might shoot one round and clean for the first two or will even shoot a group of 5 right away. I look to see what the barrel is telling me. If getting little to no copper out of it and accuracy is there I don't waste my time with it. I just sit down and shoot it.

If copper is heavy it can be from the roughness of the throat. Again I will just shoot the gun and clean it. Some copper in the bore is normal. If it keeps building up and accuracy goes sour than you have a fouling problem and that could be a combination of things.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

Frank,
Thanks for the input; always good to hear that from someone in the business. I'm by no means an expert but I do know what I see and the borescope allows me to see cause and effect rather well.
Chino69
 
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