Are we starting to see a run on shooting supplies ?

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Gina1

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Yesterday I went to Sportsman's Warehouse to buy some Berger .22 70G VLD bullets and Nosler prep'ed .223 brass. None was to be had. I talked to the manager of the store and he said he was starting to see a "run". The 9mm ammo display which is normally stacked high, was very low. Even the trade publications he gets, as the store manager, mentions this. The reason being "if" Obama gets re-elected "he will take all our guns away"Of course we saw this in 08-09.. Rumors running rampant, and empty shelves. but nothing happened. The 2nd amendment is still sound and we still have our weapons.
About once every 3 weeks I get a begging letter from the NRA (of which I'm a member). In the letters are dire warnings about what the president is going to do to "take our guns away", how this senator or this congress man is pushing a bill to "take our guns away" (always a democrate) and to SEND $$$$$$ to fight them.
Now don't get me wrong but I see the NRA for the above reasons fanning the flames of this "run".
I know you all have heard of the U.N. small arm mandate. It has been presented as another way "to take our guns away". Not going to happen.
For U.S. to be part of it it would have to be approved by congress. (by 2/3's vote..... Can you really see that happening? AND it would run smack dab into the 2nd amendment anyway.
Further can you really see any gun law restricting ownership getting thrugh congress... So ..... Why the run ???
 
Gina1,
One reason I have heard is many Americans feel like if Obama looses, which I feel he will, or our economic system fails because of this presidents policies, we will see riots and break-ins go out of sight! You have to realize that most of the welfare and social program folks live from day to day, and if they are cut-off the only thing most of them know is how to steal. I live in the south, and most southerners are getting ready for anything come November...I hope their wrong, but to not be prepared is insain with this socialist communist in the White House. I don't think he will go down easily, and if he sees defeat coming he will pull every card he knows to keep his position.
 
ok..i am in the industry as a very small player....
ammo sales have been up since dec......significantly
reasonable hand guns and ar15 platforms are selling well( one of my suppliers went from 7 day to 6 WEEK lead time in a matter of days)
one of my suppliers is out of small pistol primers, tho more are due in in july.
go to a gun show and you would not believe there was an economic issue in the states.....sales are up.
its the election/politics...cause the economy is not getting better.
but it is limited to ammo and reasonable guns...not hunting guns......personal defense stuff and ammo....component sales are down as one would expect with the down turned economy.
ohhh and lots of credit cards sales.....still cash but lots on cc.
i doubt you will see a primer run as most have bulked up after 08/09.....
so ammo and ???/
mike in co
 
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:(These kinds of threads seem to pop up every couple of months in forums at shooting websights everywhere. I'm not in any way suggesting that the OP is in kahootz with the distributors to promote sales of shooting supplies, or going out of his/her way to start something. She/he's just likely doing nothing more then reporting what he/she experienced at her local store. But unfortunately, such threads can have that same potential cause and effect for panic buying. After what we experienced with some of the worst panic buyng and hoarding that occurred for 2 1/2 long years durng the Obama election, we can't discount or forget it anytime soon.....can we?

IMHO, the best barometric gage to check for the onset of another panic spree when you read a post like this is to visit places like Powder Valley's Websight. Suppliers like PV are a pretty good indicator nationwide if something is in the making. http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ In particular, visit their primer page. One glance at primer availability says it all. As of right now (5-20-12) there's full stock in every sort of primer.

We can't know and judge what goes on at every local store eveywhere throughout America, but I'm very sure that when a panic sets in, the shelves at the Powder Valley, Natchez, Graff's and Bruno's will decisively reflect it. So far, so good.
 
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for the most part, looking at primer supplies is just palin dumb at this point...cause everyone with a dime to thier name over bought after the last shortage....the fact that the least expensive small pistol primer(tula) is sold out at several distributors should not be ignored.
watch bullets, ammo and powder.
watch gun supplies...
it aint as bad as last time yet..but there is a buying spree going one.
and yes since the internet is the internet, it may produce some unwanted results.
mike in co
VaniB said:
:(These kinds of threads seem to pop up every couple of months in forums at shooting websights everywhere. I'm not in any way suggesting that the OP is in kahootz with the distributors to promote sales of shooting supplies, or going out of his/her way to start something. She/he's just likely doing nothing more then reporting what he/she experienced at her local store. But unfortunately, such threads can have that same potential cause and effect for panic buying. After what we experienced with some of the worst panic buyng and hoarding that occurred for 2 1/2 long years durng the Obama election, we can't discount or forget it anytime soon.....can we?

IMHO, the best barometric gage to check for the onset of another panic spree when you read a post like this is to visit places like Powder Valley's Websight. Suppliers like PV are a pretty good indicator nationwide if something is in the making. http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ In particular, visit their primer page. One glance at primer availability says it all. As of right now (5-20-12) there's full stock in every sort of primer.

We can't know and judge what goes on at every local store eveywhere throughout America, but I'm very sure that when a panic sets in, the shelves at the Powder Valley, Natchez, Graff's and Bruno's will decisively reflect it. So far, so good.
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Powder Valley is showing a run on Accurate Arms powder and they are aleady out of some flavors.

J.Louis
 
Louis.J said:
Powder Valley is showing a run on Accurate Arms powder and they are aleady out of some flavors.

J.Louis
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They currently have every single variety of Hodgdon, IMR, and Vihtvuori powders, OR, any kind of primers or Lapua cases you would want.....amongst a WHOLE LOT of other brands of powders and bullets.

I wouldn't consider Powder Valley's being out of a couple of different AA powders as being any kind of a sign of the start of something., Yes, they are also out of various kinds of Hornady and Speer bullets too......(as usual)Wait about two weeks and it will be back in stock. Like any store including Walmart, or Kroeger, they are in business to sell stuff, and it's no surprise to me that they often do!
 
a couple of weeks...as usual he speaks without asking....
the tula primers are "suppose" to be in the end of june...so 8 weeks if they make it..i doubt it....probably july.....
local powders COULD be in a couple of weeks yes, but do not count on it...
i'm not trying to start a run..i'm just reporting what i see...FROM INSIDE THE INDUSTRY.....

mike in co
 
Actually Gun sale in general are up' The tred has been up for the last 2 years.
Our recent gun show had a record attendance this spring. People were buying just about everything. ammo sales were also up quite abit. Now that 223 ammo prices have fallen ,quite a bit was sold along with 22rf 22rf mag 9mm and 45 acp.
Quite a few parts kits along with built uppers were on the tables sales were pretty strong.
I think this second ammendment decision has driven firearms sales .
 
I THINK PEOPLE FEAR OF A MAN WHO PUBLICLY said " i think we can WORK AROUND THE SECOND AMMENDMENT AND THE HELLER DECISION"...MIGHT GET RE-ELECTED.

GerryM said:
Actually Gun sale in general are up' The tred has been up for the last 2 years.
Our recent gun show had a record attendance this spring. People were buying just about everything. ammo sales were also up quite abit. Now that 223 ammo prices have fallen ,quite a bit was sold along with 22rf 22rf mag 9mm and 45 acp.
Quite a few parts kits along with built uppers were on the tables sales were pretty strong.
I think this second ammendment decision has driven firearms sales .
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Select our words more carefully

Gina1 said:
Rumors running rampant, and empty shelves. but nothing happened. The 2nd amendment is still sound and we still have our weapons.
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I do not live in the USA but I am a BR and varmint shooter. I did pick up on a word in this post that shooters often use which concerns me. That word is Weapon.

I don't own weapons I own rifles. I also own a car, knife and various other objects that could be used to harm someone. None of them are weapons until a person uses one of these objects as such. So lets select our words more carefully or we might be making life a little more difficult for ourselves.
Andy.
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Gina1 said:
Yesterday I went to Sportsman's Warehouse to buy some Berger .22 70G VLD bullets and Nosler prep'ed .223 brass. None was to be had. I talked to the manager of the store and he said he was starting to see a "run". The 9mm ammo display which is normally stacked high, was very low. Even the trade publications he gets, as the store manager, mentions this. The reason being "if" Obama gets re-elected "he will take all our guns away"Of course we saw this in 08-09.. Rumors running rampant, and empty shelves. but nothing happened. The 2nd amendment is still sound and we still have our weapons.
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After the last run on ammo and handloading supplies there were posts on this forum claiming it really wasn't hoarding, that war contracts etc. were the cause of low supplies.

Of course it was hoarding and panic buying for the same reasons you listed.

I just noticed the same thing in my local Sportsman's Warehouse that you did. Primer and brass stocks are way down. Last time, stocks of all handloading supplies were about 90% depleted. It was hard to believe.

Irrational fear is a strange thing. The conspiracy theory crowd lives and dies by fear mongoring and false rumors.
 
smith and wesson just reported an increase in thier increase from the last qtr of '11, the group that has bushmaster remington etc says about 17% increase in first qtr sales....

mike in co
 
I have to agree calling firearms weapons isnt the correct thing to do. After all I have also a assault bow ' Strange how some people name objects'
 
Gina1 said:
Yesterday I went to Sportsman's Warehouse to buy some Berger .22 70G VLD bullets and Nosler prep'ed .223 brass. None was to be had. I talked to the manager of the store and he said he was starting to see a "run". The 9mm ammo display which is normally stacked high, was very low. Even the trade publications he gets, as the store manager, mentions this. The reason being "if" Obama gets re-elected "he will take all our guns away"Of course we saw this in 08-09.. Rumors running rampant, and empty shelves. but nothing happened. The 2nd amendment is still sound and we still have our weapons.
About once every 3 weeks I get a begging letter from the NRA (of which I'm a member). In the letters are dire warnings about what the president is going to do to "take our guns away", how this senator or this congress man is pushing a bill to "take our guns away" (always a democrate) and to SEND $$$$$$ to fight them.
Now don't get me wrong but I see the NRA for the above reasons fanning the flames of this "run".
I know you all have heard of the U.N. small arm mandate. It has been presented as another way "to take our guns away". Not going to happen.
For U.S. to be part of it it would have to be approved by congress. (by 2/3's vote..... Can you really see that happening? AND it would run smack dab into the 2nd amendment anyway.
Further can you really see any gun law restricting ownership getting thrugh congress... So ..... Why the run ???
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One small comment. I believe that treaties do not have to be approved by congress but only ratified by the senate, which of course, is controlled by Democrats. If Obama gets re-elected or not, unless the senate turns over, you will have a senate with a sitting president in his last term or just as bad, a lame-duck senate that may just decide to ratify that treaty before they get the boot. Just a little food for thought(or to fan the flames a little higher).
 
Good post on the treaty, On thing we all have to be careful about, thats giveing one party too much of the decision makeing process. elected republicans could also be a problem. Maybe its time for the Us to become more democratic
in the decision makeing process. We have a representative democracy {republic} One that gives elected official unpresented power. changeing some senators is supposed to work but... We have a problem...
What happens when people in congress don't listen to the publics out cry?. Thats why we are haveing prroblems
with both partys. I think it time for some real changes in government.
 
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gerrym...
you got it!
finally someone noticed!!
we need a lot of change , but it cannot happen with the current batch of PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS.
the only way to change things within the system to day is to
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS...
do not vote on party lines or who you like..replace all period. in a few cycles we will have no more professional politicians,
and then we can tell them to change...no more gravy train...you get what we get in benefits and retirement(ss and medicare)....


mike in co
GerryM said:
Good post on the treaty, On thing we all have to be careful about, thats giveing one party too much of the decision makeing process. elected republicans could also be a problem. Maybe its time for the Us to become more democratic
in the decision makeing process. We have a representative democracy {republic} One that gives elected official unpresented power. changeing some senators is supposed to work but... We have a problem...
What happens when people in congress don't listen to the publics out cry?. Thats why we are haveing prroblems
with both partys. I think it time for some real changes in government.
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My dad is gonna get a browning x bolt in 3006. The dealer we usually get shooting stuff thrusaid he couldnt find one from Zanders. They had big stuff like .338 but no medium or small calibers. So its on rifles too.
 
As far as fear and hoarding goes it will probably get worse the closer we get to December 2012.
On the upside if none of the suppliers are paying attention as to why we might find cheap overstocks in January 2013 after the fear passes and the elections are over.
 
i dont think so..
ar's yes, short pump shotguns, medium priced self defense handguns...not hunting stuff
mike in co
Doug Casner said:
My dad is gonna get a browning x bolt in 3006. The dealer we usually get shooting stuff thrusaid he couldnt find one from Zanders. They had big stuff like .338 but no medium or small calibers. So its on rifles too.
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