Any Camp Perry Shooters????

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guitarguy0731

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Hello,
Planning on shooting at camp perry this summer with a friend. Neither of us have ever shot competition before, but we are putting rifles together to try the 600 yard F/TR Class. Just wondered if anyone has ever competed up there? This will be my first experience with shooting at a match and I'm just wondering what to expect. I don't want to go there and embarrass myself completely as i've put together the best rifle i can on a budget and know that there will be alot of high end equipment shooting against me. Just wondering if anyone experienced can evaluate my rig and give an honest opinion of whether or not it has the potential to be competitive at a match like this (assuming i shoot well)
or if i'm wasting my time. I'm 26 and this is my first "good" rifle:

Remington 700 trued/blueprinted action, 20" SPS Tactical Bull Barrel, Tubbs Final Finish Bore Lapping Treatment, Barrel and Action were Cryogenically Treated, Minimized Headspace, Aluminum Bedded HS Precision Stock, Rifle Basix 1.5 lb Trigger, Sightron SIII 8.5x32x56 LR Target Dot., 168 gr SMK, Winchester Brass, Benchrest Primers, Varget Powder....All of these things were recommendations from others, but none of the people i took advice from during the build have ever shot competition, i know the pros really build some amazing high end stuff and while i love my rifle i've had people say that a $1700 setup is a "cheap starter rig" and that i couldn't expect to legitimately compete against pro shooters with deep pockets...very discouraging to hear just starting out...
 
Your setup is fine for 600 yards.

At 1000 yards, go with another setup.
  • 168 Sierras and Noslers go dynamically unstable in flight before reaching Mach 1, resulting in poor accuracy. Use 175s instead, or if you're really bold, shoot 155s.
  • Using a 20" long barrel, muzzle velocities will be lower than desired. Lots of 1000 yard .308 target shooters are using 30" long barrels for this reason. Some are going as long as 34".
One last piece of advice: You many enter any and all prone matches held at Perry EXCEPT for the (nearly) three weeks of rifle shooting at the US National Matches. Oddly enough, there is no provision for F-Class shooting during that time.

Don't worry about the cost of your gear. You can buy a Savage F-Class rifle (and maybe a useable scope and bipod) for about the price of your rig, your rifle sounds like it's as good or better. Don't underestimate the Savages either - last year, the US F-T/R team used them to win a World Championship.

BTW, there is an F-Class forum on this website. There are also other forums to discuss F-Class shooting - I prefer long-range.com.

DISCLAIMER: I am an Admin at long-range.com, but derive no benefits (finanacial or otherwise) from this position.

Welcome to the game!
 
I would strongly recommend that you attend an F-Class match somewhere and shoot 1K before you go to Perry. There are several reasons for this.

First, you want to work out all the bugs with your gear. On the line at Perry is no place to be fumbling around cause your rig won't point at the right target or your zero is off and you are not on paper. You will influence your own results as well as other shooters.

Plus you want to make sure that your rifle will perform at the longest distance you will shoot. Ensure that your load not only will stay SS at 1K but also that your loading techniques (ES and SD of your ammo) will let you shoot good scores.

You want your first trip to Perry to be a pleasure so that you will want to return. I would go up for a few days to just observe how things are done and where to go as a competitor. It is a big place with a lot of shooters. You don't want to be overwhelmed or a burden to your fellow shooters.

I would work with 175 or 185 gr bullets. They will make the 1K trip and stay SS. The 155's will require a 30 " bbl and the 168 is not appropriate.

Just my .02.

Bob
 
Why not let us know where you are from? Some here will hook you up with a place to shoot and learn the ropes.

Chuck.
 
Perry

I would look at Asa's,long-range.com
and >
http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html
and this forum.
Speaking for "me",I would get some range time at a F Class/TR match....and ask question,maybe take a few photos also. Give thought to a longer barrel
F-Class /TR has to be a lot of fun.
ASK Questions,take notes..."have fun" :)
 
Thanks for input asa, bob, milanuk, 40... , you have all been very helpful. I think i'll take your advice about going up and checking things out ahead of time instead of just showing up ready to shoot and not knowing whats going on, being stressed out and not knowing what to do or where to go would probably not help my shooting. I'll definately listen to all of your advice. Oh and Chuck, I live in Shelby Ohio. The fun factor you mentioned afterall is most important and i guess i shouldn't be so concerned with what other people are shooting, thanks again.

P.S. got to shoot my rifle for the first time today since the build, 0.5" 10 shot group at 100, ~2" 5 shot group at 400. Can't find a place around here to get out to try 600 and the field in my back yard only goes out to 400. I'm not sure of the exact ballistics "math", but if its somewhat linear a 2" group at 400 should still hold pretty tight out at 600 i hope unless it starts to fall apart at some point??
 
If you're going to shoot the shorter bbl., go with the 175 gr.
 
Ohio F Class

Ohio,north of Carmbridge has a 600 & 1000 Y range named Thunder Valley.I think they have F Class matches also.
Post on the 1000 Yard Forum and you can get info.
You can get more Info via the computer than you can handle.
I have shot 1000 Y at Perry.
:)
 
40EZXS.....Checked out that website, its full of good information i really liked it, am also gonna try and look up some info on thunder valley. If you make your way up to Perry to shoot this summer, my email is mgoodric@ashland.edu, send me an email if you remember, it would be nice to meet up with an experienced shooter who has been there before, unless it sounds too much like baby sitting for you lol, thanks
 
You may want to look at the Ohio-Penn long range match schedule. We shoot at least two 600yd longe range matches every month from April thru November at the Alliance rifle Club in Malvern, OH which is not too far from you. During the long range matches you can shoot F-class. We are also in a construction program for a new 1000yd range at the facility. This new range may be completed by fall of 2010. More info can be obtained at the link below. Hope that may help you.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/AllianceRC
 
I shot Perry Last Summer

Placed #47 here:
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/natpdf/cp453-09.pdf

As far as I know, there is no F-Class event. The 2010 rifle schedule is here:

http://theriflemansmanual.com/competition.php

This matches whats listed at CMP. If someone has any other information on an F-Class event at Perry in 2010, please let me know?

Thanks

PS: Yes you dont want to show up at the long range events without some rifle/ammo trials at 1K beforehand. Perry gets very windy. I did not shoot the LR events last year but watched them.

In .308 Win, you will want 175+ grainers. Or shoot 155s really, really fast. 168s are no good for 1000.

Also 20" is a little short for a LR barrel in 308 Win and the fact that its a stock Remington barrel isnt going to help you either. The truing of your action is fine, but the barrel quality is way more important. Cryo? Last thing I would spend money on. You being a new shooter (or competitor) you wont know the difference if there really is one in terms of accuracy. I have my doubts. Take this advice. Get Lilja, Shilen, Kreiger or other high-end barrel installed in at least 26" with 30" inches being preferable. You're gonna feel kinda "short" on that line with 20".
 
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And dont let the high end stuff get you down...

Equipment means alot, but your skills and your familiarity with your equipment is what matters most. Yes, 20" barrels are too short to reach out that far effectively and consistently (you wont generate enough pressure in the barrel to push any bullet fast enough to utilize it's BC), but if you've never competed, 1000 yards is a long way to start to begin with. Im not saying dont do it. Go for it by all means, but the folks giving you advice about your build are not giving you good advice.

You can buy a stock Savage FT/R rifle and be competitive, at least against other 308's, for $1500, but not unless you've spent some quality time at the range...
 
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