Action wieght for LV

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Frankr

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I was kind of wondering about action weight's when selecting a action for a sporter/LV weight rifle.

So a 10.5 lbs rifle is 168oz's. Just wondering how heavy a action you can go with. ?
 
One should try to keep his action at 35 ounces or less. Good shooting....James PS one can use an action this heavy with the modern light-weight stocks.
 
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As usual James is correct. I personally like heavy actions and lighter barrels. I like my weight right in the middle. Most folks seem to have to heavy of a barrel hanging off there actions in the 10.5 pound class of rifles. heck i have even had some fellas tell me to have my barrel as heavy as i can get away with. I just smirk to myself. Some folks really believe that they need 5# 4oz barrels. Me myself shoot for 4# 13oz barrels. And who knows maybe i have it all wrong. What i do know is that one ppc rifle i had with a little sv action 28oz i had a 5# 5oz barrel on it and it was way nose heavy. It didnt shoot very well at all. seemed to have a lot of vertical that i couldn't tune out.??? Lee
 
If a particular action isn't on your agenda, work it the other way. Figure out the weight of your "most importants" & start subtracting. Starting with a particular scope and/or stock makes just as much sense as starting with a particular action. If you wind up needing the short Viper, Cobra, or BAT, so be it.

Remember too the hunter barrel profile. People use to think I was crazy, but then I found out that (& he posted) R. G. Robinett used hunter profiles on his group guns, too. Tuners have changed some of our thinking on just how much stiffness is desired.

Etc.
 
Charles E I was going to try and send a PM But i will just ask you here..Go to Hall Action's web site and look at the model M action and read what it says and tell me how that's possible?..Im a fan of the Hall action's..I been looking at one,have my eye on it. a S model in 6ppc.But im poor and would have to do some horse tradeing.and im just not sure im ready to let go of my hummer just yet..may set the barrel back and rechamber. I just cant do it till I get this new rifle shooting and it proves to me it's consistant.
But man it is a super deal and im sure it wont last.
anyhow thanks for the info.
 
Model M Hall -- 2lbs, 10 ounces,
Kelbly Stock -- 1lb 8 ounces,
(Old) Leupold 36X scope 1 lb (bit less, really)

Go to the Lilja site & look at barrel program http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/barrel_making/contoured_weight_calculations.htm

Or, for several precalculated barrel weights, look at the "stiffness" article http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/barrel_making/rigidity_benchrest_rifles.htm

Notice that the Maximum HV at 22 inches weighs almost 6 pounds. But you can have a HV taper and not use the whole 5-inches of the 1.250 cylindrical section. Probably what the Hall description is assuming.

Anyway, with the Hall M, Kelbly Stock, (old) Leupold scope, and max HV barrel, we're well over 11 pounds, without scope bases & rings, trigger, glue, etc., (but minus the little bit of metal lost in fitting the barrel). Change that to a full-profile 1.200 LV contour, and that 6-pound barrel drops to 5 pounds, 4 ounces. Now rifle weight is 10 pounds six ounces. Not quite low enough -- still need rings and bases and trigger -- but we're real close.

OK, the old Leupold is hard to find and expensive, but the Weaver 36X isn't much heavier, and you can get stocks as little as 20 ounces, though I think I'd plan on 22 ounces. And you can use a 1.20 barrel & not all of the 4-inch cylindrical portion, a 20-inch barrel, etc.

So it can be done, but you'll pay a big weight price for using the M. By that I mean all other decisions are seriously affected & you may have to compromise. Using the "S" saves 11 ounces.
 
mark-x said:
I was kind of wondering about action weight's when selecting a action for a sporter/LV weight rifle.

So a 10.5 lbs rifle is 168oz's. Just wondering how heavy a action you can go with. ?
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Go with Stolle Panda Short, or Viper, you wouldn't be wrong/sorry with them. They're light but stiff/rigid, have larger bedding/glue in area, and integral davidson base.
I still can make LV weight with Stolle Panda using a homemade 30.25 oz stock (which is heavier than normal), 21.5" LV barrel @ 79.2 oz, and B&L 36X @ 18 oz + 3.2 oz rings. Total about 166 oz.

seb.
 
Seb, there are any number of was to make weight. Apparently Mark-X wants to use a Hall action. It's a case of lust, reason doesn't enter into it. He thinks he has to use an S (which makes it easy), but wondered if it was even possible to use an M.
 
No guy's , just trying to learn something about action weight's.. Thank you for the info..
The action i'm useing now is 340z's...I have been looking at a 6ppc rifle built with a hall model s action RBLP..with a new barrel on it at a very attractive price.
And i was looking at the hall action web site and i have allways kind of liked them action's.saw the model M and was wondering at 42oz's HOW that was done..
Thats all ...Yes after adding up barrel's,stock's ect I was just wondering about how heavy a action was in the norm..

Thank's for the info..
 
what hall rifle are you looking at? I just bought a brand new 1993 Hall S right left barreled action from Dwight Scott. I also like the hall action. I think i will use a robertson stock, but not until next year sometime. I might even use a scoville, just not sure. Lee
 
When figuring out component weights for a LV, my advice would be to start with the weight(s) of currently available scopes.

You want to make the 10.5 lb. weight using the heaviest scope that's commonly used....not be optically limited, if you will. Don't get painted into a corner when it comes time to swap/update scopes, not to mention limiting the resale potential of the gun.

Weaver T36: 17 oz.
Sightron SII 36X: 17.3 OZ.
Sightron Big Sky 36X: 17.3 oz.
Leupold Comp. : 20.5 oz.
March BR series: 20.8 oz.
March 36-55: 22.2 oz.
March 10-60: 24.4 oz.

Don't forget gun balance in the overall equation. A HBR taper barrel that's the same weight as a LV barrel puts more of the weight toward the action, for example. A nose heavy LV gun can be a snotty thing..... -Al
 
mark-x said:
No guy's , just trying to learn something about action weight's.. Thank you for the info..
The action i'm useing now is 340z's...I have been looking at a 6ppc rifle built with a hall model s action RBLP..with a new barrel on it at a very attractive price.
And i was looking at the hall action web site and i have allways kind of liked them action's.saw the model M and was wondering at 42oz's HOW that was done..
Thats all ...Yes after adding up barrel's,stock's ect I was just wondering about how heavy a action was in the norm..

Thank's for the info..
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If i were you and looking to get into a Hall action for a LV, I would get an S. They will give you an action the will get the job done, but it will be light enuf to do a decent weight LV taper barrel and just about any scope you want. The only reason to build on an M is if you are planning on a dedicated HV. The S is the action you really want. I have 3 of them, have campaigned them for a number of years, and have won quite a bit of wood with mine, both group and score.

JMHO

David
 
You know what surprises me, is the lack of Hall actions on the firing line. I suppose it has to do with them not being made as much as they used to be, but Alan hall will still make you one. I personally think a hall action is as good as any action available. there is something special about a hall action i think. It would be nice if they would all head space the same like Borden and BAT but they dont. Other than that whats not to like. They sure are slick. Lee
 
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