6BR extractor to PPC size???????????

CYanchycki

CYanchycki

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Is there anyone out there who possibly makes or has thought of making a tool for turning down the extractor groove of the 6BR case to fit into the PPC boltface? I do not have a lathe so I cannot turn the cases down.

I am starting to rethink my decision of why I ever wanted the PPC.:eek:
 
CYanchycki said:
Is there anyone out there who possibly makes or has thought of making a tool for turning down the extractor groove of the 6BR case to fit into the PPC boltface? I do not have a lathe so I cannot turn the cases down.

I am starting to rethink my decision of why I ever wanted the PPC.:eek:
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What action do you have? On many actions the boltface is easily opened up to BR, at least most actions I can think of that would have a PPC boltface to start with.

Why did you want the PPC, accuracy! What do you want the BR to do?
 
Jerry I wanted

the PPC because it was the ultimate in the accuracy department. What comes with that is needing top quality bullets to find the true potential of the barrel at hand. Yes my abilities are required as well.

Getting these bullets comes at a higher price and higher yet when I have to get them into Canada. It would not be so bad if I didn't have to use permits etc to do it legally. That drives the cost up considerably. For example a box of 1000 Barts bullets costs me around 350.00 CDN + shipping from a source in Canada. If I could legally buy them on my own and have them shipped to the US border and pick them up would be a lot cheeper. But, heaven forbid if I get caught with them in the US.

Bottom line everything associated with the PPC is a lot more than the 6BR. I can shoot a 8 twist with SMK's a lot cheaper than I ever could the PPC. Brass and bullets are definately cheaper for the BR in this neck of the world. Yes it not the accuracy king like the PPC but NOT very far behind.

There is a big commitment as far as I am concerned when shooting the PPC. I have read that all over the place but I wanted to have the best. I turned my cheek the other way.

The action is a BAT. I would rather not alter the boltface but mess with the brass instead.
 
Why not just use lesser quality bullets in the PPC and save the good ones for when it really matters.

I hear you with respect for getting components to do the PPC justice but it doesn't seem to me that changing to a 6BR is the only answer.

Assuming you have some brass already for the PPC how much difference can there be in the price of 220 Russian vs 6BR ? Enough to be worth messing about cutting rims ??

You will use a bit more powder in the BR so that will cost a little more over time. You may or may not need to buy dies but you have PPC dies now that will become wasted money.

By the time you buy the tooling to turn rims, set up a new barrel for the action and get the 6BR components what do you end up saving ??

Can you get Berger bullets locally, 65 or 68 grain ? A lot of guys here use them in the PPC and they shoot good groups. I personally used some in fireforming some PPC brass and shot 20 rounds into a little bigger than 1/4 inch. The Speer TNT's 70's are also pretty good for the money and might help keep the cost down when just playing or practicing. I'd hazrd a guess that only in the very best conditions would the custom bullets show an edge over the Bergers.

Unfortunately the good gear doesn't come cheap but I just look at that as the cost in being able to shoot with something that is the F1 of the shooting world !!

Bryce
 
CYanchycki said:
the PPC because it was the ultimate in the accuracy department.

Bottom line everything associated with the PPC is a lot more than the 6BR. I can shoot a 8 twist with SMK's a lot cheaper than I ever could the PPC. Brass and bullets are definately cheaper for the BR in this neck of the world. Yes it not the accuracy king like the PPC but NOT very far behind.


The action is a BAT. I would rather not alter the boltface but mess with the brass instead.
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I guess I'm not seeing what you are trying to do. You are starting with a 6PPC shooting Barts, probably 65-68 grainers probably in a 14 twist.

Now you are wanting to go to an 8 twist shooting SMK's which are in the 90-107 grain class. This is not apples to apples.

Shoot what you like, I'm just curious as to what your goal is. Is it accurate plinking and varminting or competitive benchrest?

As to altering the boltface, would a BAT with a BR boltface not work for the PPC also?
 
What I am

getting at Jerry is that shooting a 6Br I feel is cheaper.

PPC brass up hear is 89.00/100 and 6BR is 68.00/100. 107 SMK's are definately cheaper and easier to get at the local shop as is Varget powder versus custom made bullets and Viht powder. I am pretty sure I could get 1000 bullets and 8lbs of Varget for what it costs me to just get 1000 68gr custom bullets.

Will I shoot competition? I had hoped to one day but by the looks of things not likely.

Being able to turn the rims down on the 6BR cases would give me a switch barrel gun. I could put the PPC on the back burner until I felt I wanted to compete but be able to enjoy the accuracy of the 6Br.

Will the PPC work in the 308 face not sure?

The fellow from Australia mentioned about using cheaper bullets. I look at it that yes it is possible but how can I get to know the true potential if I used inadequate components?

I feel I made a mistake in my judgement.

I just want to know if anyone has ever thought of such a tool?

Get a new bolt, again that is around 500.00. I would think someone like K&M couldpossibly offer something much cheaper than a new bolt if it were out there.

I am probably beating a dead horse trying to get people to understand my point of view.

Lets just leave it at that.
 
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I completely understand it's just that benchrest shooters don't think like that. how bout trading somebody who messed up and got a BR bolt for their bat for your PPC bolt? I just don't see what a BR will do that a PPC won't. shoot them SMK bullets in it. shoot a cheaper powder in it. (322 is available if varget is) chamber it for a 7.62X39 and shoot surplus ammo in it. there are many options available.
 
The answer to your original question is yes, you can turn the rims of a .30BR to work in a PPC boltface. One of the cheap mini lathes will do it, or you can do it slowly, carefully without a lathe.

There is another possibility -- probably, BAT can open up the boltface you already have, and provide two extractors, one for the PPC one for the BR, and you can use both cases, unmodified. Two of my 2-lug BATs (for PPC) have .308 -- or as us oldtimer's liket ot say, .30/06 -- boltfaces. This would be far less expensive than a second bolt.

BTW, a couple of people have used a PPC with an 8-twist barrel & 100 grain bullets. Check the 1.000 yard archives, or ask Cheechako or Roger Haney. You can use cheaper bullets & cheaper powder with such a PPC, leaving the only "expensive" component the cases. And if you are not pushing the cases real hard, they will last a long, long time. I beleive Roger Haney was getting a bit over 2,900 with a 105 grain bullet in the PPC, using 748 and 4895 -- but check.
 
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It was that guy from New Zealand that mentioned the cheap bullets !!

If it is purely about the cost of shoot the PPC why not do a comparison of the costs involved in making it into something else that will be cheaper to run. This assumes you simply don't just want a different type of rifle, longer range fast twist 6BR versus short range PPC.

What is it going to cost to alter the bolt face and rebarrel with a quicker twist for a 6BR ? What will dies and brass and bullets and powder cost you ? What will you do with the existing PPC gear and components ? Ok you end up with a dollar value on swapping the rifle over and getting set up to shoot as a BR. Now how much PPC shooting could be done with the best of components for that money ?

I would be willing to put money on it not being economically sound to alter the rifle to something cheaper beacuse you want to save money, I will likely just cost money.

I have been down this road several times, get something cheaper and less accurate because the "real deal" was going to cost a lot of money. By trying to save money I only ended up spending more and taking longer to get where I really needed to be !!

Bryce
 
Bryce

I have all the required gear for the 6BR. That is my varmint caliber. The cost of that is not an issue.

Charles E, Thank you very much. That is all I was wanting to know. Simple and to the point.

I appreciate your input on the boltface. I just had it in my head that once opened up I was screwed for the PPC face. I did not want to ruin it in case I won the lottery and then decided I wanted to compete. I just may have to ask Cheech and roger about this.

The other thing I like is your thoughts about you old guys calling it a 30-06 boltface. I myself prefer calling it that over the 308 and I would like to think I am one of the young guys.;)

I am not having the best of days today. Cabin fever setting in. The -30+ deg temps are getting to me. I have also been dwelling to much the last few days. To many young people I know getting sick and leaving this world.:( It is just not fair.
 
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