600 yard shooting with a short range stock??

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skeetlee

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Just curious as to how many of you long range fellas like to shoot 600 yard matches with a short range type of stock. I have a 30BR on a TMBR and i think i may put a dasher HV barrel on it so i can go shoot some 600 yard stuff with a couple of my good friends. I feel like i could be a faster shot with a short range type of stock as apposed to a big old heavy type stock. I dont think i will be able to get much above 15 pounds without altering my stock to much and i really dont want to do that as i will use this same rifle for HV 30BR score shooting. Do you feel like a 15 pound dasher gives much up to a 17 pound dasher and tell me how you feel about using a short range stock for the long range game. This is just something i have thought about more than a couple times. Lee
 
Lee

I have shot both 600 and 1000 yard NBRSA with rifles having point blank actions, scopes, and stocks. I simply rebarrel them to whatever caliber I want to shoot. I have fired several 600 matches with my 6PPC LV rifle.

I do only two things. I add weight to the butt and/or foreend to get up to legal weight (17 pounds) and I use a rear rest with a long-range legal "sand bag".

You probably won't give up much if you can only get to 15 pounds but the rear rest will help when rapid fire is called for.

You'll find guys shooting rigs a lot less sophisticated than yours and they will sometimes kick your butt. So it pays to be able to read conditions (there's always a catch, isn't there?)

Ray
 
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Charles

I've never shot IBS so I did not know that. I thought the NBRSA rules were the same as IBS but maybe it was VA or PA rules that we copied?

Ray
 
Ray,

I don't know if it is important, but here's the history:

IBS copied Pennsylvania rules. When IBS first began the notion of holding sanctioned 1,000 yard matches, Pennsylvania was going to be a part of it, so their rules were copied whole cloth. Then Pennsylvania decided to remain independent, but the HG rules for IBS were already in place. IBS added a Light Gun -- whether slightly before or concurrent with Pennsylvania has been disputed. The little research I did says "before," but so what? Pennsylvania LG rules differed from IBS at that time.

NBRSA came in about a year later, and generally copied IBS rules. They made two changes I know of, (1) Muzzle brakes are allowed on HG, and (2) the rear rest can be mechanical for LG as well as HG. Both make sense, in they allow the LG to be fired in HG matches with no changes.

Pennsylvania has now changed their rules so an IBS- or Pennsylvania-legal rifle can be shot in a match sanctioned by either club. Number of LG record shots still differs.

I'm less sure about Pennsylvania rules versus those two different NBRSA rules. Use to be the closest NBRSA 1K matches were in Colorado, 24 hours of non-stop driving from the east coast. Then Colorado went IBS. I guess it is Arizona now?
 
skeetlee said:
Just curious as to how many of you long range fellas like to shoot 600 yard matches with a short range type of stock. I have a 30BR on a TMBR and i think i may put a dasher HV barrel on it so i can go shoot some 600 yard stuff with a couple of my good friends. I feel like i could be a faster shot with a short range type of stock as apposed to a big old heavy type stock. I dont think i will be able to get much above 15 pounds without altering my stock to much and i really dont want to do that as i will use this same rifle for HV 30BR score shooting. Do you feel like a 15 pound dasher gives much up to a 17 pound dasher and tell me how you feel about using a short range stock for the long range game. This is just something i have thought about more than a couple times. Lee
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Lee as long as you don't get too nose heavy with a barrel just stick a suitable barrel on your LV and go shoot. I say suitable, sometimes just screwing on a barrel with enough twist to shoot a heavier bullet and preferably more case capacity, like a 6BR. On some of the targets at the 2010 IBS Nationals I shot a 28" 8-twist 6BR and 105 grain Bergers. This was on a regular LV 100/200 setup. I did add a 2# weight to the butt stock to rebalance giving me a 13# rig.

About 2-3 times that I know of someone, myself included, has taken a 6PPC shooting the standard 100/200 load and won at 600. As long as conditions are fairly calm a 6PPC will stay with them. Dan Honert won time or two at Oak Ridge last year shooting a LV 100/200 PPC.

In the 2008 IBS Nationals I shot a blown out 6PPC and 90 grain Bergers. That gun won a 2nd, 3rd, a 4th, and a 5th. (LG Score, LG group, a HG group and a HG score). This was on a 26" 8-twist barrel and a Kelbly solid graphite stock. The barrel also had a 10 oz Fudd tuner which brought the total weight to 16.5#.

So you see, shoot what you brung. Just get the gun grouping good at 100. Zero it at 100 then click up about 12-12.5" and you will be on paper at 600 I guarantee.
 
Thats what i will do then. I will just get a HV barrel for my HV Scoville ppc and chamber it for a dasher or a standard 6BR and go shoot with my friends. I also have a HV 30BR in a TMBR stock that i could do this to. I like keeping my money in my pocket so this sounds great. I will have my dad cut me a piece of tungsten 1"x6" and use it for a counter balance weight and slide it into the weight system on the scoville HV stock and i should be good to go. Thanks guys

PS I have read that the McMillan TMBR stocks are a little flexible in the forearm is there any truth to this? Would a 28" HV barrel be to much for the McMillan TMBR stock? Lee
 
skeetlee said:
Thats what i will do then. I will just get a HV barrel for my HV Scoville ppc and chamber it for a dasher or a standard 6BR and go shoot with my friends. I also have a HV 30BR in a TMBR stock that i could do this to. I like keeping my money in my pocket so this sounds great. I will have my dad cut me a piece of tungsten 1"x6" and use it for a counter balance weight and slide it into the weight system on the scoville HV stock and i should be good to go. Thanks guys
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Make sure you secure the weight so it will not vibrate or rattle. It doesn't have to be bolted, just tight.
 
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