6.5 Creedmoor?

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Anyone have any first hand experience with this cartridge in either a bolt gun or AR10 style platform at an F-Class event?

I was concidering a .260 or .260 AI, along with a 6.5-284 but the 6.5 Creedmoor looks like it can hang with all of the above cartidges....And is available as a factory rifle from DPMS, only downer is the 24" barrel, no 28" option....
 
6.5 Creedmoor

Kent Reeve has been shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor at the last couple of matches at Butner. You can check out his scores on the North State Shoooting Clubs web site or LongRangedot com.

Having seen Kent win the National Championship a couple of years ago shooting a Mauser in 300Win Mag tells you what kind of shooter he is. Kent can shoot anything out there and does a fair bit of experimenting. If kent showed up at the match with a sling shot, I and others would put my money on him knowing he had figures something out that works.

Rustystud
 
Anyone have any update info on the 6.5 creedmoor they would like to share?
Anyone have an actual case diagram of the cartridge? I can't find any info other than Hornadys general info on their website of 308 bolt face and 1.92 case length.
Thanks
steve
 
sdr said:
Anyone have any update info on the 6.5 creedmoor they would like to share?
Anyone have an actual case diagram of the cartridge? I can't find any info other than Hornadys general info on their website of 308 bolt face and 1.92 case length.
Thanks
steve
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http://guntech.com/ammo/6.5creedmoor.jpg

This link will take you to a picture. All you have to do when trying to find something like this is to go to Google, select Images, then search for 6.5 Creedmore. Isn't the Internet a wonderful thing.
 
6.5 Creedmore

I have been shooting a 6.5 that is very similar to the Creedmore for seven years. Hornady changed the case a little. Same case length 1.92, dia. at the shoulder is .001 different, there neck is .0259 shorter. This isa very good case for F-class. I did not work with it enough to see how well it would do in 600yd. benchrest. Shot it one time in a 600yd. F-class match, just put a load together with 139 Lapuas. Shot a 598-45X. Took four shots to get sighted in,two sighters and the first two for record. Case are made from 308 Lapua brass. The case have lasted very well.
A good load has been 130Normas with 38 grains of N150 2901 ave ES of 9. Start lower if you try this load in the Creedmore.
 
Gary L Noble said:
I have been shooting a 6.5 that is very similar to the Creedmore for seven years. Hornady changed the case a little. Same case length 1.92, dia. at the shoulder is .001 different, there neck is .0259 shorter. This isa very good case for F-class. I did not work with it enough to see how well it would do in 600yd. benchrest. Shot it one time in a 600yd. F-class match, just put a load together with 139 Lapuas. Shot a 598-45X. Took four shots to get sighted in,two sighters and the first two for record. Case are made from 308 Lapua brass. The case have lasted very well.
A good load has been 130Normas with 38 grains of N150 2901 ave ES of 9. Start lower if you try this load in the Creedmore.
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Thanks Gary, How well do barrels last and what kind of velocities are you getting out of how long a barrel length?

I am looking for something that will last a little longer than the 6.5 x 284 but be somewhere in the ball park in ballistics wise, say less than 100fps slower than what the 6.5 284's like to run the 140's (2950-3000 for the 6.5 284).
Basically I am hoping to get 2900 with 140's and keep the loads close to factory charges.
Probably a Broughton 30 inch barrel and also thinking of a tight neck chamber, main reason so that I can uniform the neck od's and get a little better chamber fit.
Any thoughts?
 
sdr

I do not think you can get the 140 class bullets to go that fast with these cases,without over pressuring. The 130 class will make 3000fps. But the accuracy node seems to be around 2900.
Barrel life is good in a eight or nine twist. I am over 1000 in a nine twist and the barrel looks good.
I have been thinking of trying RL17. But have doubts about getting the accuracy. The velocity will increase but the ESs will soar and groups will open up. Will see later if this holds true.
 
I read an article that said the case neck length was .370, but the diagram show different.
I'm wondering if you took 260 brass and improved the shoulder but kept to the same length 1.5598 at the shoulder/neck region then changed the shoulder to 30 or 35 degrees thereby lengthening the neck somewhere over .300 mark or possibly closer to .330 whatever the run out is and stay in the over all case length of the 260. of 2.035 and also change the taper of the case to that of the creedmoor, basically lengthen the creedmoor by .0396 from 1.5202 to 1.5598.
I know there would not be any appreciable case capacity gain for powder.

Any thoughts?
 
Actually maybe a better case would be the 7mm-08 with it's case length of 2.0457 neck size down to the 6.5 creedmoor but not full length.
If you kept the creedmoor shoulder angle but at 1.5598 length, the neck would start at 1.7002, this would give you .3455 neck length.
 
sdr

Do not think I want to use Rem/Win brass. I can make good cases with the 308 Lapua.
 
6.5x55 VS 6.5 Creedmore

Last weekend I shot with a F-Class shooter that was on the National Team that went to South Africa and he shot a Creedmore cartridge on an AR platform. I used a Remington bolt action. He used about a 123 gr bullet and I shot a 140gr at 500 yards and a139gr at 600 yards. I dropped 17 points at 500 and switched to the 139gr bullets at 600 yards. At 600 yards I dropped 7 points. We tied for score but he beat me on the X-Ring count.
 
Wheres_Waldo

Just for you information. Waldo is an old railroad stop now abandoned near Fanta Se, New Mexico. I know as I drive through it often. The identity crisis is over.

Ted from Santa Fe, NM
 
6.5 Creedmoor

I had ordered a DPMS rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, but changed the order to a 260 Remington for the following reasons:

1. Hornady charges about $35 per 50 for 6.5 creedmoor cases, and about $35 per 100 for 308 cases, I felt that was price gouging.
2. Hornady is the only company making dies for this caliber. Forster, RCBS, and Redding don't make them. The benchrest dies from Hornady cost about $178. Good bench rest dies like Redding or Forster are not made even as a custom order item. They told me the reason they don't make them is because Hornady would have to send the cartridge to SAAMI before it can be standardized, and Hornady has not done so. It appears Hornady wants to keep this as an in house item rather than make it easily accessible for consumers.
3. The 260 Remington holds about one half grain more water than the Creedmoor case, velocity is about the same though.
4. Cases for the 260 are available from Remington, or can be made from either 308, or 243 cases. Lapua 308 cases are available from Bruno shooters supply for .49 each per the January 2009 issue of precision shooter magazine. That makes it $49 per hundred for famously good Lapua brass, rather than Hornady brass at about $70 per hundred.
4. The 260 is a necked down 308, the 6.5 creedmoor is a completely different shape. If I am going to shoot it through a DPMS rifle using 308 magazines, I expect to have less feeding issues with a necked down 308 case than a completely different case, and a longer overall cartridge.
5. I was put off by the feeling that Hornady is price gouging on the brass, and making it hard to get components and tools because they won't send the case to SAAMI for certification or standardization (or whatever SAMMI calls it). I prefer to have both cartridge, brass, and tools that are easy to acquire and easily accessible.
 
+1....what he said, though I'm shooting a heavy-barrel 700 CDL. Forster dies are reasonable at $65 a set. And I doubt that we will ever run out of .308-based brass that can be resized, though .260 Remington is about as available as any other brass at the moment (meaning that it is not that easy to find). Many complaints about things Remington doesn't do and not pushing and supporting their own .260 Remington can certainly be added to the list. On the other hand, my 700s and 7400 are wonderful rifles.
 
I wish somebody would just make some good 260 brass. The R-P stuff I have used is terrible. I am stuck with 243 or 308 Lapua brass. I have actually had the best luck with the 243 brass for some reason.
 
slugger said:
I wish somebody would just make some good 260 brass. The R-P stuff I have used is terrible. I am stuck with 243 or 308 Lapua brass. I have actually had the best luck with the 243 brass for some reason.
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I have used Winchester .243 Win brass necked up to .260, though not in F Class for a number of years. It seems to be decent brass and reasonably consistent, but, like much of the brass these days, the headspace is below SAAMI minimum and you probably should headspace the chamber off the available brass rather than a headspace gauge. Yea, I know, that makes it something other than a .260 so just call it a 6.5x whatever and people are on notice.

Rick
 
noone said:
I had ordered a DPMS rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, but changed the order to a 260 Remington for the following reasons:

1. Hornady charges about $35 per 50 for 6.5 creedmoor cases, and about $35 per 100 for 308 cases, I felt that was price gouging.
2. Hornady is the only company making dies for this caliber. Forster, RCBS, and Redding don't make them. The benchrest dies from Hornady cost about $178. Good bench rest dies like Redding or Forster are not made even as a custom order item. They told me the reason they don't make them is because Hornady would have to send the cartridge to SAAMI before it can be standardized, and Hornady has not done so. It appears Hornady wants to keep this as an in house item rather than make it easily accessible for consumers.
3. The 260 Remington holds about one half grain more water than the Creedmoor case, velocity is about the same though.
4. Cases for the 260 are available from Remington, or can be made from either 308, or 243 cases. Lapua 308 cases are available from Bruno shooters supply for .49 each per the January 2009 issue of precision shooter magazine. That makes it $49 per hundred for famously good Lapua brass, rather than Hornady brass at about $70 per hundred.
4. The 260 is a necked down 308, the 6.5 creedmoor is a completely different shape. If I am going to shoot it through a DPMS rifle using 308 magazines, I expect to have less feeding issues with a necked down 308 case than a completely different case, and a longer overall cartridge.
5. I was put off by the feeling that Hornady is price gouging on the brass, and making it hard to get components and tools because they won't send the case to SAAMI for certification or standardization (or whatever SAMMI calls it). I prefer to have both cartridge, brass, and tools that are easy to acquire and easily accessible.
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It would probably scare the bejeezus out of you to find out the pressure they are running. :eek:

D R
 
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