30-06 early Model 70 Winchester for 1,000 yds ????

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I have a model 70 from the mid fifties with about 100 rds through it. Been wondering about shooting it at 1,000 yds. Will the stock barrel handle 5-10 rounds or will it get too hot and the group suffer? I have a new 6-Dasher, but curious about the :06. What bullet and power would I start with? Thanks Don
 
Hi German I hoped you would respond. It is just the standard hunting rifle as it came from the factory. I assume someone must make a tapered base to fit the M 70 I have a Leupold Mark 4 81/2-25 scope. Don
 
German, one thing you might remember is the source of your 190 Sierras. There is a rumor around that bullets given to a Mid Tompkins or Earl Chronister were significantly more uniform than the general run. There is some real-world evidence for that (check with Steve Shelp), but it also could be just one of those shooting rumors perpetuated down the years. It makes sense to me, though -- if I were a manufacturer, I'd make sure the very best shooters, & people I used in advertising, got the very best I was capable of making. I see nothing wrong with that.

I have several lots of Sierra 190s from 1996 or so, and even within a box they show considerable variation. They shoot OK if you remember to sort them. With a 10-twist (likely in that rifle), I'd be more apt to try a 200, 210 or 220 Sierra, with the new Berger .308 Caliber 185 grain LRBT (Juggernaut) as a fall-back bullet. In the Sierra line, both the 200 and 210 are more modern designs than the 190s. A good lot of the 200s is a fine bullet indeed.

To the original poster. Whether or not the group will suffer from the 5 to 10 rounds due to heat, it is unlikely the rifle itself will be competitive. After all, that was not it's job. And if it were a Model 70 Match rifle, remember that highpower in the 1950s was not what it is today, never mind benchrest. If you're curious about what it will do, try it. If you're eager to win, build a rifle capable of that.

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In spite of the squawking you'll get from people, I've been known to shim scope bases .020. Better would be a high set of the Burris rings that use the inserts. You can get 20 MOA from them with absolutely no stress on the scope. Two +/- 10 MOA inserts come with the 30mm rings, but are now, I believe, an extra-cost option with the 1-inch rings. Cheaper than the semi-custom tapered bases. Amazon prices are about the same as Brownell dealer prices. I use them whenever making weight is not an issue.
 
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Thanks Charles E. That's the kind of info I was looking for. I have a new 6-Dasher, but I got to wondering about the :06 , just for fun. It shoots pretty good for a factory gun. Ten shot groups in under 3/4 inch at 100. I wasn't planning on takeing the BenchRest world by storm with it, just wanted to try it for fun. Thanks for the Burris ring tip. I will check that out. I spend a lot of time in Dubois, Wyo. They have a 1,000 yd range there and I have a video camera set-up to see the bullets hit at 1,000 yds. Should be fun. Don
 
Your best bet for getting out to 1000 with it is to use Burris signature rings and use the .020" offset inserts to create the taper you want. I don't know what this equates to in MOA as it depends on the distance between the rings. You will have a total of .040" offset. When I first started shooting 1000 Yd BR, most of the guys I shot with did just this.

If you shim a scope base .020, the screw will not seat flat in the counter bore and the scope base will never be rigid enough for serious accuracy.
 
Thanks Dennisinaz, I spend the winters in Mesa and have been trying to learn to shoot Benchrest at Ben Avery. I will get those Burris rings. Don
 
If you shim a scope base .020, the screw will not seat flat in the counter bore and the scope base will never be rigid enough for serious accuracy.
You mean I have to give back the fake wood? Actually, since I was using a two-base system and put the .020 shim under the entire rear base, the screws would seat flat. And before I get too much crap about stressing the scope tube, take a look at Vaughn's solution in Rifle Accuracy Facts. But yes, the Burris rings we both suggested are a better solution for $40 or so, and a bit of weight -- they are steel, and the extra high rings have some weight!

Remember too you can use a little epoxy with the shim and base, and blue loc-tite on the screws. Always a good idea in any case for actions that use No. 6 screws with the bases.
 
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Thanks for the info guys Weight is not a problem. Only shoot it for fun, not competition. I also have several large metal containers (military, I assume) of 4831 powder, smells OK and looks good, to me. Would that be OK to shoot for this adventure or are the new powders much better? What can I do with this 4831 powder? Don
 
Hi German, Thanks for your help. Very nice of you experienced shooters like you and Charles E. to help us struggling newbies. Thanks for the links. Don
 
Don,

Actually,German is the man when it comes to the .30/06 and precision shooting. I'm playing with a similar case, and have sought his advice several times in emails, after reading everything he wrote on his blog. My only quibble is he sometimes doesn't realize he has resources and skills not available to us all . . .
 
What model 70 are we talking about? I'm taking for granted the model 70 Marksman.
 
Hi It is your standard Winchester Model 70, 30:06 hunting rifle, I bought for my Dad about 55 years ago, rarely used. I got it back after he passed away 3yrs ago. Don
 
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