22cal barrel fouling

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skeetlee

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I have been playing with a lightly used 22 .100 ppc barrel i bought, and its a bear to clean. It shoots lights out, but like i said its a pain to clean up. Copper and powder fouling. I had to use some of the remington 40x stuff to remove the carbon, or powder or whatever it is, and im not so sure i like this stuff. It left my stainless cleaning rods dull. I hope this isnt ruining my barrel inside, or making it more exceptable to fouling, than it alread is. I finally got it clean but it took a while. The barrel is a shilen and its a good barrel, so i just assume its a 22cal thing?? any ideas? Oh, I am using 8208 XBR. Its weird stuff but it cleans up nicely in my 6ppc. Also fellas whats your thought on this remington 40x gritty cleaning stuff? Like i said it sure made my cleaning rod look like crap. thanks lee
 
It may be the barrel or it may be your load, but...if the barrel shoots good as you imply, don't worry about cleaning with Rem 40x. It will not hurt your barrel. It's kinda like Isso paste, but easier to apply and clean out. If you have the time, you might try "Wipeout" with its accelerator. Apply it and let it sit overnight. You should get good results with it with less cleaning effort.

good luck...virg
 
The barrel is a shilen and its a good barrel, so i just assume its a 22cal thing??

Lee,
The smaller calibers, this is typical...........

Your .100 short should be just all grins with 133... My full length 22ppc shines with both XBR and 135.......
You'll still see a bit more fouling from your .224 over a .243 bore... Carbon fouling inparticular but copper does get more prevelent @ 3500+ vel ... Still, the light recoil is a GOOD thing and I too just deal with the fouling... Any of the modern non-amoinia solvents will quickly "get" the carbon and light copper fast... I like Pro Shots #4 solvent....Damn fine.

Shilen make fine .224 barrels, yes I agree.!

Cale
 
Lee ...

skeetlee said:
I have been playing with a lightly used 22 .100 ppc barrel i bought, and its a bear to clean. It shoots lights out, but like i said its a pain to clean up. Copper and powder fouling. any ideas? thanks lee
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Don't make cleaning a chore. JB Bore Cleaning Compound is all you need to get the job done fast.

Comments on JB by a well known shooter:

"I personally believe in the use of JB Bore Cleaner... I use it after every yardage. 3 to 5 tight fitting patches with JB will get the powder fouling out... I do a full cleaning before I use JB and also after I use JB, to make certain I've got all the JB out of the barrel. ... Tony Boyer" :)

Source: The Benchrest Shooting Primer, ON THE TOPIC OF BARRELS, by Tony Boyer, Page 349, upper left.
 

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I suppose i have around 100 rounds fired down this barrel since it has been mine, for a total of around 500 rounds fired on the barrel. This is the first barrel that i have felt some drag while running patches down the bore so i wasnt real sure what was exactly happening?? I do love this little 22 barrel because its so easy to make shoot. 26.5gr of test lot 8208 with a 52gr cheek bullet about 10 off full jam ='s a low to mid one when i read the flags right. I dont know the velocity of this load. To be real honest, im suprised it shoots this good. I have the barrel really clean now, and im going to head out here in a bit, so i will report back what i find. thanks Lee
 
skeetlee,
The Remington 40X cleaner is a good product. It will not damage your barrel. I use it all the time. In fact I am almost ready for my second bottle.


Donald
 
Lawrence ...

L. E. Hanson said:
I agree with you Art, JB bore compound is an effective carbon bore cleaner. I use it in my barrels once I begin to feel the patch “drag” down the bore. The only other bore cleaner I know of that is more effective is Corbin Benchrest Bore Cleaner. For some barrels this process is needed every time I clean and for some after approximately 100 or 300 rounds. With hand-lapped barrels where high-pressure loads are the norm, this procedure is less often necessary. I believe Jackie Schmidt has commented in the past that high pressure loads tend to “burn” fouling out of the barrel. Jackie, please correct me if I am mistaken. Art, I also believe the quote you referenced is dated November 1993. Better ways to clean barrels have possibly been developed since then. Back to the original post, Skeet needs to figure out why carbon fouling is a problem in his gun, then he can work on the solution. Lawrence Hanson
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Tony B. also refers to JB Bore Paste use [along with Iosso] in the last paragraph on page 201 of his new book dated 2010. Some good products withstand the test of time. :)
 
I had a chance to shoot the 22 this morning and this is what i found. I have been talking up the 8208 here lately with this barrel ( 22ppc .100 short) but i may be changing my mind a bit. I have read were a lot of you guys say that the 8208 will throw a shot. Well that happened today several times. It would stack four shots in to a group that measures somewhere around .120 but the fifth or what ever number of shot would go astray, by about 2 bullets width. It could be my brass but it could be the powder to?? It was a lot cooler here in IL this morning compared to the rest of the test i have done with this barrel b y about 20 degrees and the humidity was way down as well. Im not real sure why its throwing shots! Anyway i then shot some 4198 in this rifle and i think it may be the ticket. I had my loads a bit to hot at 25gr but the groups were small. the brass didnt show any signs of pressure but the bolt was a bit sticky. Im going to do a little more testing with this powder. I here the true waldog ( .125 short) does really well with 4198, at least thats what i have been told. As far as cleaning the barrel, it still feels a bit sticky inside there. maybe im just not used to cleaning the 22cal barrels? I dont think there is anything wrong by any means, it just doesnt clean up as easy as my 6ppc. Shoots good though!! Hope everyone has a great Labor day!! enjoy your families, I plan too!! Lee
 
I shoot both the 222 and the 22 WalDog. Along with several others. At the range I will clean with Hoppies #9 and Carb cleaner just to get the carbon out and keep the bore reasonalbe. Shooting naked bullets I do this every 15-25 shots. Shooting moly every 25-50 shots. I clean first with a lose patch with the #9. Then I dry with a clean tight patch and followup with the carb cleaner and another dry patch. First shot will usually be on point.

At the end of the day or if the group open ups I detail clean with JB bore paste. I use a tight patch and 25 strokes. Then clean with Koil. Then repeat the cycle again. When I am finished the bore will be bright and polished. VERY smooth.

I know this process works as I bore scope my barrels often.

If a barrel fowls or does not group I hand lap it first and then polish with JB Paste or Bore Brite.

I have picked up several BR barrels from other shooters that were not shooting cheap. Usually after hand lapping and setting them back 1/4 to 3/8" they were excellent barrels. My best ever two barrels were used when I got them.

If you do not have a bore scope try to find a buddy with one. It is the fast route to learning about barrel cleaning and barrels in general.
 
Al
Im pretty sure it close to 400 ish rounds. I bought it from one of the good guys here. Here is another question. I bought that hart 22ppc 100 short barrel that was in the classifieds last week and it came home today. It has a .246 neck. how much clearance should i have on a loaded round? Im thinking .002 but my buddy says .0015 I need to know so i can have my brass made. Dave Bruno chambered this barrel and i tried to call him today but i dont think i have the correct number. my laptop is is in the shop again, and im on our old dinosaur PC upstairs here and its painfully slow and i cant find another number for him. Any ideas? thanks fellas!! Lee
 
About the bore scope. I would love to have one and i seen that you can buy a hawk-eye without the focus feature. Is that a bad idea? It is 100 bucks less is the reason i ask. Is the focus feature worth the extra 100? Lee
 
skeetlee said:
Al
.............................. Im thinking .002 but my buddy says .0015 I need to know so i can have my brass made. Lee
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I normally end up "between .001 and .002" with short range BR bullets, leaning towards .002 because I know guys who're wicked shooters who claim that getting down near .001 will cause fliers.

Long-range VLD stuff I keep closer to .001

al
 
Thanks AL I appreciate the info very much sir. I will have Kevin turn mine with .002 clearance. Also fellas i have found some Bart 52gr 22cal bullets with danzac coating. Whats the real scoop on that stuff. is it worth the trouble? Is it easy to take off the bullets? The reason i ask is that i found 350 of the Bart's with the danzac on them. If my barrel likes them i will have to find more of them with the danzac already on them or i will have to have it applied. Not sure its worth the trouble?? Lee
 
Throw some Ramshot X-Terminator and those WS2 coated pills in your gun and your fouling problems will disappear.
If I'm right forget the WS2 and switch to HBN. Even a caveman can coat with HBN.
 
skeetlee said:
Thanks AL I appreciate the info very much sir. I will have Kevin turn mine with .002 clearance. Also fellas i have found some Bart 52gr 22cal bullets with danzac coating. Whats the real scoop on that stuff. is it worth the trouble? Is it easy to take off the bullets? The reason i ask is that i found 350 of the Bart's with the danzac on them. If my barrel likes them i will have to find more of them with the danzac already on them or i will have to have it applied. Not sure its worth the trouble?? Lee
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I'd have no fear of Danzac'd or moly'd or hexagaloboronitrided bullets........ clean with Butch's or Montana Extreme and the stuff's harmless. Just burns a liddle more powder which _may_ (I'm guessing here) wear your barrel out quicker.

I useta'could just FREAK over this stuff, now I just buy whatever's available.

al
 
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