.22 PPC short vs .22PPC

James M.

James M.

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Having shot a .22 PPC-.095 quite a bit in competition, and having a varmint rifle chambered in a full length, I have not noticed very much difference in velocity or accuracy between the two. Billy Stevens has a new 14 twist HV Hart barrel awaiting chambering. I think that I will have him chamber it in a full length .22PPC and run a side by side test with a Hart 14 in .22PPC-.095. I will test the two with several powders and BR bullets in my Benchrest rifles.

I am not sure how I want to proceed, but may use a chronograph to determine the best velocity for both (for accuracy).

Am I wasting good bullets and powder to test something that has already been determined, i.e. the .22 PPC short will outperform the full length version? If anyone has any ideas on how to proceed with the test, please state it here. Thanks, James Mock
 
22ppc short VS 22ppc

A lot was written about the PPC 22 in PS magazine years ago.
The only way your really going to know is shoot both side by side. The new powders we have today may make a real difference
Wish I could help more. From tests of years ago the old PPC was real screamer I bet powder selection would be the key to the best accuracy
 
James
I think this idea of yours is a good one. I like to shoot n133 in my .100 short, and more than once I wished I could get a little more powder into the .100 short case. I bet it shoots just fine. Lee
 
James that sounds like a good experiment. I would be interested in the results.
Talked to Dwight Scott some. Kevin Hovis and or Beth shoot a 22 PPC. Think I heard George Kelbly shoots some version. Dave Abbott. And some others. Can't remember the guy's name. George Ulrich's old shooting buddy.......
 
Tad slower powders....

James,

In the two 22ppc chamberings I've messed with over the years... Full length and a .085 short.... Honestly could not tell difference, 2 diff barrels each...
Well, except for the 22ppc FL chambered 5 groove PacNor SSM.... Woooohat a FINE shooter..!:eek:

Loved VV N135 over the years and even H4895 when it was cooler temps....
Today I'd bet the Canadian AA2015 would be just great in the 22ppc.
3480 - 3510 was a great vel range that would agg.

cale
 
i would research that .22ppc shortened

James M. said:
Having shot a .22 PPC-.095 quite a bit in competition, and having a varmint rifle chambered in a full length, I have not noticed very much difference in velocity or accuracy between the two. Billy Stevens has a new 14 twist HV Hart barrel awaiting chambering. I think that I will have him chamber it in a full length .22PPC and run a side by side test with a Hart 14 in .22PPC-.095. I will test the two with several powders and BR bullets in my Benchrest rifles.

I am not sure how I want to proceed, but may use a chronograph to determine the best velocity for both (for accuracy).

Am I wasting good bullets and powder to test something that has already been determined, i.e. the .22 PPC short will outperform the full length version? If anyone has any ideas on how to proceed with the test, please state it here. Thanks, James Mock
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for years I have shot 6BR .085 short (TallDog) with good success in both my LV and HV rifles. It virtually equals a 6ppc in capacity but with a .308 head size. If the 6PPC works so well as a necked up .22PPC then logically the .22 is over-capacity for good effiency and accuracy. Both ppc's offer great brass with small primer holes. I have always considered the .22PPC too large for accuracy. (Check out the .22 WalDog to get the idea) Look into this small = accurate thing. Maybe you could even calculate the 6PPC ratios to scale down the .22. Maybe someone already did this to come up with that .095 short. My LV is an old Precision Shooting Magazine project gun I bought from Bob at shooters corner to match my 6BR .085 short custom action HV. It was built by Dwight Scott on a sleeved XP-100 action.
 
Jamo, the .095 short .22 PPC was first developed by Mac McMillan. With the powders that was available then, the shortened version was more efficient and worked with a full case of H322. Jerry Simison is a friend of the McMillans and he ordered a reamer for that chambering. He has chambered many barrels with that reamer, but health problems has ended his gunsmithing days. With some modern powders, maybe the full length version can again be used for competition....maybe not. Maybe one can use a slower powder such as N135, WW 748 or H4895 and have a full case with the proper velocity for accuracy....we shall see. Good shooting.....James
 
James M. said:
J...With some modern powders, maybe the full length version can again be used for competition....maybe not. Maybe one can use a slower powder such as N135, WW 748 or H4895 and have a full case with the proper velocity for accuracy....we shall see. Good shooting.....James
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It could be James, but the particular powders you mention have been around for a long time. I guess 135 might not have been imported to the States in those days.

H4895 was the first powder Bruce Hodgdon offered, though of course, it wasn't the Australian manufacture it is today. Believe the IMR and Hodgdon 4895s were pretty close, unlike some of the other H versus IMR powders. Could be wrong on that...

748 has been around since the flood.

You might ask Tooley or one of the others developers of the "American" case about the .22 American. Since they had to make up a new case anyway, they played around a fair bit with capacity. As I recall, Dave won significant wood with the .22 American, and I know he won a 300 yard unlimited SE regional with it around the turn of the millennium. Hell, you might have been there, at Charlotte. Believe it's capacity was equal to the full-sized PPC, but in any event, I'd imagine he'd have a useful opinion on case capacity.
 
There's a couple of people that come to mind who had success with the FL 22 PPC. Don Geraci and Bill Forester. Geraci, back in the days of the Fowler-Geraci wars, had an unlimited barrel that was something to be hold. He spent a lot of money in search of a replacement for that barrel. As I recall a certain lot of IMR 4198 was part of the recipe. After some time and money Don finally gave up. Bill has done a lot of winning with both Fl and shortened versions. I'm partial to the -.100 short version myself. Just seemed to work.

Dave
 
OK, I'm not really qualified to say this but I'ma' say it ONCE..... because I had one barrel re-chambered three times in three different chamberings from .243AI down to 6BR that shot all the way (and some that DIDN'T).... and because I gotta' full length 22BR that shoots DOTS and because, well just because.....

IF


IF


IF,

you get a really good barrel

It just don't much matter sometimes.

This is why I'm now clocking barrels, cuz GOOD barrels just don't care how you feed 'em.

And GOOD barrels ain't eggzackly laying about thick on the groun' ma' frien'....

oPINionby

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