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j3x44

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Hello: Can anyone give me advise on choosing the most accurate wind flags,does any of them have scale to read wind speed.
 
If you check the classified section tthere are wind probes that do a pretty good job .
Only problem they work from left to right or vise versa, You will have to learn to read the tails after a while.
They seem to tell me more then the probes at times.
 
Generally, benchrest shooters don't work with wind speed numbers and charts, or calculations. Do you currently use flags, other than range flags?
 
I am a beginer benchrest shooter, I don't have any wind flags yet; but I need to get some if I am going to be competive.
 
Rick Graham is a fine shooter, and his flags are top notch. There are others that are well made, but you won't go wrong with Rick's.
 
J3 I will say 3 things
there are many fine flags and Graham makes really good ones.
Wind speed in my opinion = Wind probe contact Gene Beggs
Most accurate..... none of the above. Jerry Hensler has made a set that works on a laptop. They are the best thing since the ppc. I cant afford them and he cant make them fast enough.
Short story the program has a dot and a circle when the dot is in the circle pull the trigger. Yes they do work I shot a group over them once... and so have some others.
 
vern said:
j3 i will say 3 things
there are many fine flags and graham makes really good ones.
Wind speed in my opinion = wind probe contact gene beggs
most accurate..... None of the above. Jerry hensler has made a set that works on a laptop. They are the best thing since the ppc. I cant afford them and he cant make them fast enough.
Short story the program has a dot and a circle when the dot is in the circle pull the trigger. Yes they do work i shot a group over them once... And so have some others.
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wow!
 
j3x44 said:
Hello: Can anyone give me advise on choosing the most accurate wind flags,does any of them have scale to read wind speed.
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I have come to believe that the person with the best memory and patience will be the best shooter; all else being equal. I think the Probe(s) more improtant than the brand of the flag. Most commercially made flags work just fine as do plenty of "Home Made" flags. The information from the Probes, when the conditions dictate, can be invaluable to someone who isn't able to process a lot of information quickly or have a good memory.
 
j3x44 said:
Hello: Can anyone give me advise on choosing the most accurate wind flags,does any of them have scale to read wind speed.
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You say "wind flag"... I've seen a lot of wind flags at the Supershoot & WBC but the most accurate & easiest to read wind flag to my opinion is the Aussie flag by Stuart & Annie Elliot. Butch Lambert sells them in the States.
It's also the most compact & easy to pack, you can bring/store many sets just in a small box. The retractable pole is also great. I would give 5 stars for it.

seb.
 
seblambang said:
You say "wind flag"... I've seen a lot of wind flags at the Supershoot & WBC but the most accurate & easiest to read wind flag to my opinion is the Aussie flag by Stuart & Annie Elliot. Butch Lambert sells them in the States.
It's also the most compact & easy to pack, you can bring/store many sets just in a small box. The retractable pole is also great. I would give 5 stars for it.

seb.
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Barry Edgley in Australia makes the same flags for a quite a bit less money. I love em. Just had to make up extension poles for the LR stuff.
 
In my opinion, the most accurate wind flags can be viewed at: http://qik.com/video/39172788

This is the sensor end of the Hensler Smart Flag system. These sensors read only the crosswind component or "bullet push". 4 sensors at 100 yards and 8 sensors at 200 yards seem to work quite well.
 
Lawrence W. said:
In my opinion, the most accurate wind flags can be viewed at: http://qik.com/video/39172788

This is the sensor end of the Hensler Smart Flag system. These sensors read only the crosswind component or "bullet push". 4 sensors at 100 yards and 8 sensors at 200 yards seem to work quite well.
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Very nice, but from the IBS rule book: "The use of electronic wind gauges or similar devices will be only allowed in Heavy Bench Rifle
Competition."
 
Yeah, but IBS is only shot by some dinosaurs up in the Northeast. The rest of the USA shoots NBRSA where it is allowed with all 4 guns.
 
Lawrence W. said:
Yeah, but IBS is only shot by some dinosaurs up in the Northeast.
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That should increase the responses on this thread!;)

Lawrence W. said:
The rest of the USA shoots NBRSA where it is allowed with all 4 guns.
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That's news to me, thanks. I can see a revolution coming. Plug those sensors directly into the scope so that the cross hairs are adjusted in real time for a perfect shot. (Or at least as perfect as the sensors and correlation equations in the computer can provide.)

Keith
 
mks said:
That's news to me, thanks. I can see a revolution coming. Plug those sensors directly into the scope so that the cross hairs are adjusted in real time for a perfect shot. (Or at least as perfect as the sensors and correlation equations in the computer can provide.)

Keith
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Me too, Keith. I must be stuck in the stone ages. If thats the case, I can see a new Seb Servo rest being on my want list in the near future.....Mike
 
From the IBS group page

Group

2011 Group Match Results

14-15 May - Weikert, Pennsylvania: Nate Boop Rich Altemus Memorial Shoot
27 March - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #4
13 February - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #3
6 February - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #2
30 January - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #1

2010 Group Match Results
11-12 September - Canastota, New York: IBS 200-300 yard National Championship Match
28-29 August - Webster City, Iowa
16-21 August - Weikert, Pennsylvania: 41st IBS 100-200 yard National Championship Match
24-25 Jully - Webster City, Iowa
17-18 July - Camillus, New York: Camillus Pro-AM
3-4 July - Mainville, Pennsylvania: BR Memorial Shoot
19-20 June - Gillette, Pennsylvania: Michelle Sutton Memorial Charity Classic III
5-6 June - Mainville, Pennsylvania: 15th Keystone Challenge
8-9 May - Weikert, Pennsylvania: Nate Boop Rich Altemus Memorial Shoot
7 March - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #5
28 February - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #4
21 February - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #3
10 January - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #2
3 January - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series Match #1

2009 Group Match Results
29-30 August - Canastota, New York: IBS 200-300 yard National Championship Match
10-15 August - Weikert, Pennsylvania: 40th IBS 100-200 yard National Championship
25-26 July - Webster City, Iowa
18-19 July - Camillus, New York: Camillus Pro-AM
4-5 July - Mainville, Pennsylvania: Myles Hollister Memorial Match
20-21 June - Gillette, Pennsylvania: Michelle Sutton Memorial Charity Classic II
6-7 June - Mainville, Pennsylvania: 14th Keystone Challenge
9-10 May - Weikert, Pennsylvania: Nate Boop Rich Altemus Memorial Shoot
29 March - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series
1 February - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series
15 February - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series
22 February - Dunhams Bay, New York: Annual Winter Series

Looks like the Northeast to me.

Sorry about the dinosaur comment, but the IBS always seems to be a step behind the NBRSA when it comes to trying new things.
 
I'm all for advancement but have to admit that I was/am not aware that electronic flags were allowed. That certainly changes everything. I don't think it would be hard to connect them to a servo on the rest that guides the gun. All that's left is to pull the trigger..or can that be done electronically too?---Mike
 
mks said:
That's news to me, thanks. I can see a revolution coming. Plug those sensors directly into the scope so that the cross hairs are adjusted in real time for a perfect shot. (Or at least as perfect as the sensors and correlation equations in the computer can provide.)

Keith
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Unfortunately it won't be that easy. Still need a lot of human interface to decipher what the wind is telling you.

They perform the same function as the Begg's windprobes. They isolate the crosswind component of the wind and reduce that to a visual value (Begg's) or a numeric value (SmartFlag). If you had 4 Begg's windprobes set up you would have to watch the values on all 4 probes to determine when to shoot and how much to hold. The SmartFlag system combines those 4 readings into 1 digital value which then allows you to determine how stable the condition is, whether it is letting up or building. You still have to "read the wind" to determine when to shoot and how much to hold. This system simply gives you a more accurate read of what the wind is doing between you and the target.
 
mwezell said:
I'm all for advancement but have to admit that I was/am not aware that electronic flags were allowed. That certainly changes everything. I don't think it would be hard to connect them to a servo on the rest that guides the gun. All that's left is to pull the trigger..or can that be done electronically too?---Mike
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Doesn't change anything, as electronic windflags have always been allowed in NBRSA. Harold Vaughn even wrote about how to build them and use them 30 years ago! We've been experimenting with them for almost 10 years.

j3x44 asked for the most accurate wind flags and I believe that the Hensler SmartFlag is the correct answer.
 
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