Here in Illiniois we cant deer hunt with most centerfire rifle chamberings. however we can use a 30/223 with 120grain-ish bullets. i dont recall all the details or ballistic requirements. I would have to look them up. Anyway i may try this Illinois legal 30/223 this coming fall. Not sure what kind of velocities something like this will have but i would just about bet it will be super accurate with a quality barrel and rifle. Heck i could sit at my indoor shooting bench, and pick them off at the tree line and watch the morning news, all while being nice and warm. LOL!! By the end of the summer i will have about 3000 rounds on one of my 30BR barrels so that might make for a good donor deer hunting barrel. Dave Kiff sells the reamers, and a die shouldnt be all that hard to come up with or make. Anyone know anything more about this than i do? Illinois laws really suck and they make no since what so ever, but the law is the law and this is what we have. Lee