Whats better Rem 700 or Weatherby Vangaurd

work,
what ya gonna do with this iron, paper, varmints, deer,????

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

DD
 
Savages shoot great out of the box, but if you plan to do some aftermarket customizing, I'd go with the Rem 700.
 
I'd go Savage and never look back,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Sharp Shooter Supply( fred) makes lots of custom parts for savage rifles and there's tons of other people making bolt on part from prefit barrels to triggers to stocks to mounts to,,,,,,,,,, you get the point,,,,,,,

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,(and I'm waiting on my bailout check to arrive)

DD
 
Worker: You won't hear any complaints about Remington 700's from me - at least until I find something to complain about!
Just 3 days ago I took one of my newish Remington bolt action Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger down to my range. I had swapped scopes on this Rifle and it needed to be re-sighted in.
Once I had it to my intended point of impact, I fired a group (5 shots at 100 yards) with it.
That group measured .358"!
Then I needed to re-sight in my Remington 700 VSF in caliber 17 Remington Fireball.
I had replaced the scope on this Rifle with a Leupold 6x18 variable. Once there at my range I discovered I had brought the wrong ammunition along with me.
Instead of the carefully crafted handloads I wanted to bring for this Rifle I had in fact brought an MTM box that had about 30 leftover Remington factory cartridges in it!
I decided to get it on paper anyway, with this ammunition.
Remington factory ammo - Remington all factory stock Rifle and the one group (5 shots at 100 yards) I made with this Rifle measured just under .600"!
I would be out at the range shooting some more Remington Rifles right now but the wind is whipping along at a rate that precludes any possibility of accurate shooting!
I'll let you know how these Remingtons shoot on their latest outing as soon as possible.
Speaking of savages - the local gunsmith here in my area has just ordered a new, custom barrel for his $900.00 savage Rifle he bought last spring!
It seems the barrel on his expensive savage was so rough and infested with out of place tool marks that he could not get acceptable accuracy from it! AND the poor accuracy he did get - got even worse once 20+ shots were down the barrel of that 223 savage!
This is unacceptable for Prairie Dog Hunting (its intended use).
Within a month of when my friend bought his savage Rifle I myself bought a Remington 700 SPS-V Rifle in the same caliber!
223 Remington.
I mounted a Leupold 6.5x20 variable scope on mine which by coincidence was the same scope my friend has on his savage.
Once I had completed barrel break-in, the FIRST group (5 shots at 100 yards) I made with this Rifle measured .372"!
And this group was made with left-over ammunition I had from another Rifle! Granted that ammunition used LaPua brass, Federal Bench Rest Primers and Berger 52 grain bullets - but the savage that cost $400.00 MORE than my Remington has never fired a group anywhere near as impressive as that first grouping I made with my Rifle!
I own and shoot Rifles made by Weatherby, Sako and Tikka - like you inquire about - I do NOT own any bolt action savage's!
In my extensive experience with the Remingtons and the other three brands of Rifles you mentioned, I would recommend buying the Remington 700 if you want accuracy, a smart investment and a handsome well balanced Rifle!
As soon as this wind lets up I am going to be re-sighting in a Remington 700 in caliber 22-250 Remington and another 700 in caliber 17 Remington. The 17 Remington is several years old though - I am not sure if your failed attempt at "Remington bashing" includes Remington's of that vintage?
Let me know.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
 
Another vote for Savage

I have direct experience with 5 of the long range precision varminters in 22-250 - all shoot great. Every Remington I have dealt with in the last 5 years needed trigger work/new trigger and to be bedded to shoot. That did not fix them all.
 
I like the look of Rem and Vangaurd

Savage is a tupperware rifle.They just don't work for me. Some of the Vanguards suck also. I've heard of quality inconsistency with the 700s in last decade.Doesn't anybody like the Vanguards ?
 
There is always going to be quality issues when mass producing a product. I don't have anything against the Howa/Vanguard, but if I'm building a rifle I'll take a 700
 
never seen a varmint jump the firing pin spring,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now my old recurve bow, that was different,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

DD
 
Worker said:
Savage is a tupperware rifle.They just don't work for me. Some of the Vanguards suck also. I've heard of quality inconsistency with the 700s in last decade.Doesn't anybody like the Vanguards ?
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You get what you pay for, sometimes.

I expect the low end rifles to shoot poorly of all the makes above.

I expect the higher end rifles to shoot decent of all the makes above.
 
I LOVE MY VANGUARD !

Several years ago I bought a Vanguard in 223, at Wally world, the test target display was well under an in., so I bought it, it is my favorite P dog shootin iron.
It's smooth and accurate, I topped it with a Leopold VX 1. and Burris Signature rings.
Jim
 
Anyone who gets a new rifle in as poor shape as described by "varmint guy", and doesn't send it back to the mfr. is an idiot. Or, could this be an exagerated tale about a Savage. For the last few years, all the gun mags have pointed out that Savage makes the most accurate "out of the box" rifles. I find that $900 story hard to believe. FWIW, I bought a Savage 17hmr, and returned it for a full refund due to a crooked crown. No questions asked. I replaced it with another Savage 17. I also have a Savage 12 in .223 that is ridiculously accurate. Like in the .1's.
Bob
 
To Varmint guy I was not attempting to bash Remington

My 6x284 is a Rem 700 and it shoots very well. But I have heard of lemons. What savage rifle cost $400 bucks more then a Remington? I'm questioning the validity of your accounts
 
last year got a good deal on a Vanguard Deluxe. Beautiful fit and finish, but I was barely strong enough to pull the trigger. Ultimately put a timney on, no other changes, and will shoot easily 1" or less with at least 2Weatherby brand loads. have not used it on varmints, but my son got a one shot kill on an antelope at a ranged 347 yds. very pleased with it.
 
The Vanguard is a Howa which I have several of.I use one with a custom barrel for long range comp. in heavy gun. Slick actions that shoot well. Just cycle a Savage then try a Howa.
 
Vanguard not so impressive

I had a Vanguard SubMOA in .243 and really liked the feel of the stock and the action. It shot ok, but needed to be cleaned a lot to maintain acurracy below 1 moa and it didn't take long before I sold the rifle.

I have owned quite a few Remingtons and for the money I would recommend the savage products that have a target accutrigger and rigid stock.

If you're gonna modify the rifle I'd go with a model 700. But that's me.
 
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