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Mike Marcelli
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But Lou:
How do you know if the cartridge is capable if the scope won't hold zero? Aggghhh, chicken and egg, chicken and egg!
But Lou:
How do you know if the cartridge is capable if the scope won't hold zero? Aggghhh, chicken and egg, chicken and egg!
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Pete in Surry
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One must start - -
at the beginning and I think that is what the question was aimed at. If one is to build a building of any sort one must have a sound foundation. In this case the bedding in a stock that will track straight. What could be any more important?
at the beginning and I think that is what the question was aimed at. If one is to build a building of any sort one must have a sound foundation. In this case the bedding in a stock that will track straight. What could be any more important?
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david dumas
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probley the MOST important thing in my equipment box is my WIND FLAGS !!!!!!!!!!!, knowing what the flags and the sighter target are telling you will take you a lot further, remember in score shooting with a 30br 0.369 will still get you a X (bullet hole 0.308 + dot .062 - .001 = 0.369) and 0.807 will still get you a 10 ( bullet 0.308 + ten ring .500 - .001 = .807). now let the moaning contest contuine
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abintx
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Please don't forget ...
my original question. What is the most important component of a benchrest rifle ??? The key point is "component of the rifle".... the rifle itself. Thanks. Art
my original question. What is the most important component of a benchrest rifle ??? The key point is "component of the rifle".... the rifle itself. Thanks. Art
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Pete in Surry
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It is difficult
To define which one because the machine is a system that works by all the components being superb. All of them are linked together.
Assuming one has a good platform, scope and one of the recognized good chamberings, the barrels are , by far the one component that dictates accuracy. All you have to do it to own a good one once and you will see. Good barrels are very forgiving for a lot mistakes.
To define which one because the machine is a system that works by all the components being superb. All of them are linked together.
Assuming one has a good platform, scope and one of the recognized good chamberings, the barrels are , by far the one component that dictates accuracy. All you have to do it to own a good one once and you will see. Good barrels are very forgiving for a lot mistakes.
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Mike Marcelli
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Hi Art:
I think this horse is starting to stink a little, so I'll try to throw some dirt on it and try to answer your question.
I think Lou and I essentually agree. Your initial question was, "What is the most important ... component of a benchrest rifle ???" To me the most important "component" is the scope. I assumed, from your question, that you were contemplating a tried and true caliber and so, I answered the "scope" is the most important because a scope that won't hold zero will have you chasing your tail trying to figure out what's wrong with the cartridge, barrel, bullets, powder, bedding, etc.
Lou didn't bipass my assumption and said the cartridge is the most important thing, because if you don't have a cartridge that's capable of producing exceptional groups, the scope, barrel, bullets, powder, yada yada become irrelevant.
I think, although I'm not trying to put words in Lou's mouth, that if you base your rifle on tried and true accepted BR accuracy round, such as the 6 PPC or the .22 SPPC, the most important component is the scope, followed closely by the other components mentioned in your thread.
When your scope holds zero, its amazing: (1) how well your rifle shoots and (2) how quickly you can diagnose other problems. When it shifts around and causes you to "throw" shots, it can be the most difficult thing to disgnose. Bad barrels usually let you know they are bad -- they foul badly and are difficult to clean. Bad bedding, its one of those "I know it when I see it deals." Generally though, the gun just won't group at all and there are none of those tell tale signs that the barrel is the culprit. Bad bullets tend to tease you with three and twos or four and ones (Bad barrels can do this two, but barrels tend to follow more of a pattern whereas the fliers from bad bullets are more random). But bad scopes, unless they are REALLY bad (such as when the reticle falls out or is canted with respect to the turrets, or you shoot huge diagonal lines in really mild conditions), are difficult to diagnose and are always cheating you out of some part of your agg.
I hope this answers your question. If not, reread the other posts in your thread and just accept that no one is wrong. All the things mentioned have to be working to have an accurate BR rifle. If anything is missing, you are less likely to be a winner and more likely to be an also ran.
I think this horse is starting to stink a little, so I'll try to throw some dirt on it and try to answer your question.
I think Lou and I essentually agree. Your initial question was, "What is the most important ... component of a benchrest rifle ???" To me the most important "component" is the scope. I assumed, from your question, that you were contemplating a tried and true caliber and so, I answered the "scope" is the most important because a scope that won't hold zero will have you chasing your tail trying to figure out what's wrong with the cartridge, barrel, bullets, powder, bedding, etc.
Lou didn't bipass my assumption and said the cartridge is the most important thing, because if you don't have a cartridge that's capable of producing exceptional groups, the scope, barrel, bullets, powder, yada yada become irrelevant.
I think, although I'm not trying to put words in Lou's mouth, that if you base your rifle on tried and true accepted BR accuracy round, such as the 6 PPC or the .22 SPPC, the most important component is the scope, followed closely by the other components mentioned in your thread.
When your scope holds zero, its amazing: (1) how well your rifle shoots and (2) how quickly you can diagnose other problems. When it shifts around and causes you to "throw" shots, it can be the most difficult thing to disgnose. Bad barrels usually let you know they are bad -- they foul badly and are difficult to clean. Bad bedding, its one of those "I know it when I see it deals." Generally though, the gun just won't group at all and there are none of those tell tale signs that the barrel is the culprit. Bad bullets tend to tease you with three and twos or four and ones (Bad barrels can do this two, but barrels tend to follow more of a pattern whereas the fliers from bad bullets are more random). But bad scopes, unless they are REALLY bad (such as when the reticle falls out or is canted with respect to the turrets, or you shoot huge diagonal lines in really mild conditions), are difficult to diagnose and are always cheating you out of some part of your agg.
I hope this answers your question. If not, reread the other posts in your thread and just accept that no one is wrong. All the things mentioned have to be working to have an accurate BR rifle. If anything is missing, you are less likely to be a winner and more likely to be an also ran.
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Tom R
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Hi,
Thats EASY!!
It's the SCOPE!
If you can't see it you can't hit it.
Tom R
Thats EASY!!
It's the SCOPE!
If you can't see it you can't hit it.
Tom R
jackie schmidt
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Tom R
I agree with the scope, but not for the reason you give. In fact, optical clarity is relagated to secondary importance in a scope sitting atop a 100-200 yard Benchrest Rifle.
A scopes ability ability to hold POA, 100 percent, is the single prevailing factor in our game. If it will not do that, it is useless.
This, however has been solved by the current crop of Locked Scopes sitting in external adjustable mounts, and of course, the new March.........jackie
I agree with the scope, but not for the reason you give. In fact, optical clarity is relagated to secondary importance in a scope sitting atop a 100-200 yard Benchrest Rifle.
A scopes ability ability to hold POA, 100 percent, is the single prevailing factor in our game. If it will not do that, it is useless.
This, however has been solved by the current crop of Locked Scopes sitting in external adjustable mounts, and of course, the new March.........jackie
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abintx
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Thank you for your comments ...
Gentlemen: You've been very helpful with my decision on how to proceed with my next benchrest rifle. Because of your comments the project will be easier to perform and less costly than I originally thought. Thanks again. Art
Gentlemen: You've been very helpful with my decision on how to proceed with my next benchrest rifle. Because of your comments the project will be easier to perform and less costly than I originally thought. Thanks again. Art
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Sonof A. Gunn
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Paint job on the stock. It must incorporate some hidden voodoo symbology.
Is the shaft on a golf club huh? Is that why no matter what club I try, I get about 1/2 - 2/3 the distance the pros hit? I mean, I'm so sick & tired of only 200 yard MAX drives no matter how hard I swing?
How do you determine the right shaft?
Is the shaft on a golf club huh? Is that why no matter what club I try, I get about 1/2 - 2/3 the distance the pros hit? I mean, I'm so sick & tired of only 200 yard MAX drives no matter how hard I swing?
How do you determine the right shaft?
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