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tenring
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Shooting 500 meter groundhog matches with 6BR, 30BR and Dasher. Interested in experience others have had with tuners, including manufacturer. They are allowed at most ranges I shoot.
I have a Time Precision "Supertuner" I baught about 10 - 12 years ago for a Rem Varment coutour swift......worked great, but lost it's tune when the weather changed.....had to re tune.
Put the same tuner on my 1K match dasher with the same contour BBL last year and it shot great everytime I shot it. That is not to say that I couldn't have tweaked it a little and gotten a little better results...it's just that I am lazy and had very little time to tune last year.
I think the guy to talk to is "Tim In Texas" (Also makes the "surefeed"). We talked tuners last year at the IBS Nats.....my problem....I am not very bright on top of my ADHD.....I do know he said when it warms up, turn the tuner in a touch in order to keep your tune.
THEY DO WORK!!!!
Good luck,
Tod
Put the same tuner on my 1K match dasher with the same contour BBL last year and it shot great everytime I shot it. That is not to say that I couldn't have tweaked it a little and gotten a little better results...it's just that I am lazy and had very little time to tune last year.
I think the guy to talk to is "Tim In Texas" (Also makes the "surefeed"). We talked tuners last year at the IBS Nats.....my problem....I am not very bright on top of my ADHD.....I do know he said when it warms up, turn the tuner in a touch in order to keep your tune.
THEY DO WORK!!!!
Good luck,
Tod
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tim in tx
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Hey Tod,I am still learning too. Well guys there are only 2 established formulas for long range,But what it comes down is set it for tight groups at 100yds and but still have level velocities for long range shots,or set it at 500 meters and move it as Tod stated,set it here for 65 degrees and set it there for 85 degrees,pretty soon when you have all the spots for differing temps marked on the tuner then you are in like flint.The cool thing about tuners is you can track your tune to a very small degree .hope this helps Tim in Tx
Fudd who advertises on this website makes his tuner weights as a solid machined piece without any holes or screws in them.If you buy a tuner and it has a set screw in the weight and you set it anywhere but at the 6 o:clock or 12 o:clock you may not get the best results.
Lynn
Lynn
pbike
New member
I shoot Gene Beggs' tuners on all my short range BR rifles, centerfire and rimfire. The problem I see is you may have to retune or refocus each time you go to the line depending on conditions... At 1000 yard or 600 yards can you see enough to make that adjustment needed? I don't think so. Now if you could shoot at a card at 200 for sighters and tuners, then shoot your record target that would be another story.
Paul
Paul
I think Tim is right....you need to take the time and head out to the range when the temps are different, find your tune for each temp, and keep a record. I think the thing is to get good enough at it to TRUST your setting. This can be done at shorter range.....tuned is tuned!!!
PS....Barbi called, she wants her Jeep back.
At least that is what is says on the back of my Bronco.
PS....Barbi called, she wants her Jeep back.
At least that is what is says on the back of my Bronco.
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tim in tx
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HI Paul, We can ussually see our sighters at 1000yds to within 2-3 inches as I am sure Tod would attest to as well and I would agree tuners are certainly difficult to set in winds at 1000yds but not always.One example :When I had made an adjustment at the ohio range and was glad I did ,1 /20th of a turn got rid of a foot of vertical .That has worked very few times though. When a 1000yd shooter goes to the bench he has 7 minutes to get sighted in the dirt at clay pigeons and then play around with tune and wind ,The first thing I would do is look for vertical and then adjust at the bench,if it didnt go away I knew it was the wind causing the vertical ,But that was when I started working with tuners, By getting lost in my adjustments a few times I soon learned the formulas need to be established first in prime test conditions,1 Load at all temps marked on the tuner .Then you can break down the adjustments to half increments and quarter on so on edging the tuner in when it heats up and turning it out when it cools down.Hope this helps Sirs. Tim in Tx
At 1000 yard ranges with pits you can tell the shooter doing pit duty for you in advance you need 3 discs and you'll be setting a tuner.Have them mark your first 3 shots then go 1/8 turn in each direction and see if the groups shrink.It helps if you share your equipment with the same shooter pulling the pit duty each time so your on the same page.
The biggest problem I have seen is fellow shooters all want to touch/twist your tuner to see how it works.
Lynn
The biggest problem I have seen is fellow shooters all want to touch/twist your tuner to see how it works.
Lynn
I am pretty sure the rules say that there is no contact between the line and the pits once the sighter period has started. Using three discs is "contact" in my view. I could be wrong though.
pbike
New member
With the Beggs' tuners we use Density Altitude to adjust our tune, and although temp is a fraction of the DA formula it's not all of it, We use the Kestral unit for our DA readings... We tune and record our settings and we can return to those settings from our past pages of records. When you get to the line looking through those pages and at your meter is just another thing to do. Generally we have noticed the DA starts up early in the am and at about 2 to 3 pm it peaks then starts heading down. On its way up, we are turning the tuner inward, on it's way down, we are turning the tuner outward. Our tuners are marked like the hours on the clock, and with our barrel tapers, an hour is about 150 feet DA.
Paul
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tim in tx
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Paul Sir ,May I ask if you ever have to set the tuner differently for 100yds vs 200 yds vs 300yds? thanks Tim in Tx
Negative......It sounds like you are comparing bullet path with the effect of the bullet crossing the line of sight on a scoped rifle. If you have 5 bullets going through the same hole at 100 yards they are going to continue on that path. The bullets originated from EXACTLY the same place and are hitting in the same place at 100 yards, what possibly would then move bullets off of that line from there on out?
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JerrySharrett
Senile Member
Fudd (Scott Hamilton) also makes a tuner that has two movable parts, both are stainless steel, and these move together and act as jam-nuts to each other, This tuner does not require a locking set screw as some tuners do.
This tuner being made of steel instead of aluminum weighs 11 oz and does not require daily adjustment since it tunes the barrel and not the load as light weight tuners do.
Fudd (Scott Hamilton) also makes a tuner ..........
.......................................................since it tunes the barrel and not the load as light weight tuners do.
OOOOHHhhhhh, this just got MORE interesting!
al
Al,
Simple....don't run 30 fps ES....run 5 fps ES. Five fps ES givs you 1" of vert at 29xx fps with a 210 vld at 1000 yards as per the I6 program.
Find the load that gives you the BEST ES, and use the tuner to tune the rifle for that load.
You have guys who say that they get single digit es but way crappy groups. When they change the load where it shoots GREAT they have LOUSY ES. I have herd it many times before.
These guys, in my opinion, who have found a load with very, very low es and crappy groups are PRIME for a tuner.
To me, and again, this is MY oppinion, if your are going to FULLY buy in to this whole tuner deal, you MUST find a load with low es and use the tuner to tune that load and not try and tune the load to the gun (old fashond "load development") to find the smallest groups and then slap the tuner on and "re-tune" with the tuner. You may not have found the load with the lowest ES# It seems to me that this would negate the need to have seperate 100, 600, and 1000 yard tunes.
Simple....don't run 30 fps ES....run 5 fps ES. Five fps ES givs you 1" of vert at 29xx fps with a 210 vld at 1000 yards as per the I6 program.
Find the load that gives you the BEST ES, and use the tuner to tune the rifle for that load.
You have guys who say that they get single digit es but way crappy groups. When they change the load where it shoots GREAT they have LOUSY ES. I have herd it many times before.
These guys, in my opinion, who have found a load with very, very low es and crappy groups are PRIME for a tuner.
To me, and again, this is MY oppinion, if your are going to FULLY buy in to this whole tuner deal, you MUST find a load with low es and use the tuner to tune that load and not try and tune the load to the gun (old fashond "load development") to find the smallest groups and then slap the tuner on and "re-tune" with the tuner. You may not have found the load with the lowest ES# It seems to me that this would negate the need to have seperate 100, 600, and 1000 yard tunes.