Score Match at Bailey's House of Guns - S. Houston

andre3k

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I had a chance to watch these guys shoot at their last match of the 2008 season. It was my first chance at seeing a couple of real benchrest rifles. A few months later I have aquired my own BR rifle although its not ready to shoot just yet, I will run my factory rifle. The first match is scheduled for Sunday March 15, 2009. I saw the flyer while going to Bailey's to look for a couple of items. Does anyone here participate in these club matches?

Before Jackie jumps in - I have shot at the Tomball match as well. Coming from IDPA pistol shooting where I can shoot multiple times per week, I'm looking to get in all the practice I can before I sign up for my first registered match.
 
having come from IDPA, you will enjoy BENCHREST shooting. the two sports are very similar. both claim one thing, but put in many rules and classes to prevent any free thinking. just follow the lemmings, 6 ppc, n133 powder lapua cases, 262 nec.....and before you know it you will fit right in.

welcome to the sport dedicated to (mostly) precision shooting.

donning my fire suit, backing in to a corner, opening the valve to my scott pak....
and ducking

mike in co
 
Hey Mike,

do you shoot in registered shoots??? I don't recall ever seeing you at matches and for sure in the NBRSA news. I think the lemmings are doing fine,thank you very much. If that's all you think it takes is some 133 and Lapua cases, WOW tell us your secrets.
It really is more involved than that to be in the hunt on the regional or national level. Trust me I know:D

Richard Brensing
 
do you shoot in registered shoots??? I don't recall ever seeing you at matches and for sure in the NBRSA news. I think the lemmings are doing fine,thank you very much. If that's all you think it takes is some 133 and Lapua cases, WOW tell us your secrets.
It really is more involved than that to be in the hunt on the regional or national level. Trust me I know:D

Richard Brensing

did not say it did not take work to compete at the national or even regional level.
no i have never made it into the news..... you will see me at matches...600/1000 late this yr, first of next yr, and 100/200 if i get the kinks out of my rifle( do a search...you will see what i'm doing)

my comment was on the limits put on by the rules for the chase for "ultimate accuracy"
because of the rules one can shoot the same rifle in multiple classes, shooting the same cartridge....if your gonna have different classes, insist on different rifles!
look what happened to "hunter" class when br rules were applied....no more hunter rifles, only br rifles need apply.

no i never said it was easy.........

but i did say there are a bunch of lemmings fed by poor rules....

i like some club rules, based on production rifles and br shooting.


ducking again

mike in co
 
Mike is right about IDPA and BR being similar in their overly restrictive rules, and mindset that inhibits free thinking. IDPA was formed by a bunch of disgrunteled IPSC/USPSA shooters (control freaks) that did not like the lack of equipment restrictions and free wheeling, think for yourself method of IPSC/USPSA shooting.
 
I guess I don't

understand what is so restrictive about the NBRSA rules. I know the ongoing saga of LV-SP stuff, it's no big deal to me. I shoot a 22LV, a 6HV, and SP and a rail. There is plenty of thing to do working within the rules as they are. Some people like to experiment,some don't. I have things that I do that are within the rules that other people don't have a clue about. And I am sure there are many others that are doing the same thing.
Benchrest is just like any other endeavour, you get out of it what you put into it. Ask yourself, how much time and expense am I willing to put forth to be a competitor, not just a shooter.

Richard Brensing
 
andre: Anyone with a competitve nature will find BR shooting very, very enjoyable. Have fun and let us know how you did, okay? :) -Al
 
Lemmings and the rules.

Anyone that knows me will vouch for the fact that I'm an experimenter and a tinkerer by nature. And yes, there are some areas in the rules I'd like to see loosened up to allow a bit more work to be done.

That said, the stability of the rules over the years has also been a blessing for many competitors. You don't have to built a new rig every season or two to keep up with the changing rules, for one thing. people that actually compete understand this.

Which brings me to the part about lemmings......

I think there are two distinctly different subdivisions in the Lemmus Sibiricus family, subspecies Benchresticus:

1. Lemmus Benchresticus Accompli: This is the competitor that actively competes and has learned to win, finish well, have fun and learn within the rules set forth by whatever sanctioning body he/she competes in.

2. Lemmus Stirpoticus Non Sequitur: This is the group that takes no risks, attaches it's names to no entry forms, enjoys none of the ups and downs, forms none of the friendships, learns the least, and pontificates the loudest....all while telling tales of things never done, sights never seen and matches never won/lost/placed in.

Much to that...........
 
When I attended my first informal match it seemed as it BR is a competition against yourself moreso than anyone else. The only thing that limits you from doing better or becoming a more proficient shooter is yourself. The people were friendly and helpful and but when its time to shoot they were serious about shooting. The only thing that I saw as a drawback is the lack of younger shooters. There were very few 20 somethings where I shoot and I guess this applies to benchrest as a whole. But then again I guess most shooting sports in general peak the interest of older shooters with more disposable income.
 
That said, the stability of the rules over the years has also been a blessing for many competitors. You don't have to built a new rig every season or two to keep up with the changing rules, for one thing. people that actually compete understand this.
Al, I'm sort of torn over this one. Many of us who, at one time or other, have favored rules changes have been in favor of relaxing the rules, not tightening them. (I remember when you legally could use bird seed to fill bags.) The restrictive changes -- remember the recent one concerning clamping boards for rail guns to butt against -- get tried, & hopefully abandoned. Then there was the one-year outright ban on tuners in IBS, and tuner adjustment in NBRSA. Their repeal shows the system can sometimes work. But we have some old ones that seem to serve no purpose, that seem to center on what a rifle should look like -- until you look t what highpower shooters are using in the 21st century.

I think they do some harm. They preserve old wives tales. Quick. How many believe that the stiffer the stock, the better? But Jim Borden did some work on this with the design of his newer stocks; less stiff, but better at damping vibrations. They shot. I don't know that there is any firm conclusion we can draw fro that one venture, but it sure makes us question a sacred cow.

But you'd have to be a manufacturer to do this within the current rules, and you have to risk a significant amount of your livelihood if the idea was either (1) wrong, or (2) right, but didn't pass the current fashion/wives tale test. So it was gutsy of Jim, & more power to him.

Last year, Gene Beggs new "stock" design was deemed illegal, unlawful & downright disgusting for a while. Now, it seems to be legal -- something about barrel block or sleeve length got dropped in the NBRSA rules. But I shoot both IBS & NBRSA, and the old barrel block rules are still in the IBS, so I won't be trying it in VFS. Maybe IBS 1,000 yard competition, where we don't have so many rules.

What will be interesting about this isn't whether or not Gene sells more stocks than Macmillian, but whether or not it works. If it works, we'll have to give up another of our myths about accuracy. Just like I had to give up one of mine about long necks and accuracy when the Wolf Pup did so well.

And just like the Wolf Pup didn't make the older Hunter chamberings obsolete, new designs most likely won't make the older rifle designs obsolete. How many experimenters who really believe in their stuff would like to go up against, say, Jeff Summers & his old equipment with $1,000 on the line?

What would happen is that we'd learn something. We'd have to give up some cherished beliefs. The sport might get cheaper. And over time, the design of accurate rifles would surely get better.

Charles Ellertson
 
Boy did I miss something in the rules. Where does it say that you must shoot the same stuff as everybody else ? I see the rules as a set of guidelines stay within them But build what you want.
 
al n,
i like your comment..
the whole thing....
i can live with it.
thanks
mike in co
 
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