Robertson stock Comparison pics
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jackie schmidt
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Calvin, my two best shooting Rifles are on BRX Stocks. I like them............jackie
CYanchycki
Club Coordinator
Yes of course your COVETTED(SP) green rifle.
Jackie the JTR is new to me. As is the entire rifle. I shot it in 1 match and it tracks like a DREAM as does the BRX. Since I have had BRX longer I am more comfortable with it. I also feel a physchological advantage shooting the BRX because of what is sitting on top of it.
On a side note the nice thing is my spare barrels for my BRX rifle fit and headspace perfectly on the new rifle. I was happy when that worked out for me. From my limited knowledge all checks out. Spacing is slightly on the tighter side for the chambers but brass measurements are the EXACT SAME from either rifle after firing. I even checked it out with old brass I no longer shoot that varied in datum lenths and they are the same. Happy camper. Just called my smith and said chamber up a few more for me.
Calvin
Jackie the JTR is new to me. As is the entire rifle. I shot it in 1 match and it tracks like a DREAM as does the BRX. Since I have had BRX longer I am more comfortable with it. I also feel a physchological advantage shooting the BRX because of what is sitting on top of it.
On a side note the nice thing is my spare barrels for my BRX rifle fit and headspace perfectly on the new rifle. I was happy when that worked out for me. From my limited knowledge all checks out. Spacing is slightly on the tighter side for the chambers but brass measurements are the EXACT SAME from either rifle after firing. I even checked it out with old brass I no longer shoot that varied in datum lenths and they are the same. Happy camper. Just called my smith and said chamber up a few more for me.
Calvin
CYanchycki
Club Coordinator
That looks like a Borden. The BRX and the Borden look very similar from what I have seen. Grouper I like the coloring. I just may have to get one similar in color just a little brighter in the yellow department. It would fit my handle THE WASP.
On a side note what rear bag is that? I really like the shape of it? Could you get a picture of it wwith that same stock looking at it from the butt plate. Want to see how the keel rides in the bag.
Calvin
On a side note what rear bag is that? I really like the shape of it? Could you get a picture of it wwith that same stock looking at it from the butt plate. Want to see how the keel rides in the bag.
Calvin
Jim Borden
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Looking Similar
they sure do look similar ----both also look similar to the original Bob Adamowicz R&M pattern stock for pretty good reason!
Jim
they sure do look similar ----both also look similar to the original Bob Adamowicz R&M pattern stock for pretty good reason!
Jim
I shoot with a guy that has a stock a lot like yours good grouper but his but-stock has straight angles instead of being rounded. The butt stock on his looks a lot like a Bruno edge butt stock but the rest of it looks just like yours. he claims its an original speedy stock, but i wouldnt know. My other good friend charlie also has a speedy but his is different. it doesnt have the vents and his butt stock is rounded. Does anyone know what stock i am describing? Its looks just like a Robertson BRX but with straight angles on the butt stock. I like it very much!! Lee
Jim Borden
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All of these stocks have their roots with Bob Adamowicz
The "speedy" stock is actually a Bob Adamowicz R&M pattern stock with minor changes. The R&M stocks date back to about 1979. Most of the originals were made of Kevlar.
Here is a picture of a fiberglass original R&M stock, a "Speedy" stock and the mold master for the Rimrock R&M:
Bob was a designer who thought ahead and outside of the box. His stock design has been used by many and has proven successful no matter who is making it or under what name it is called--but for me, I feel it is appropriate to give credit where credit is due--all of the designs are the Adamowicz pattern!
Jim
The "speedy" stock is actually a Bob Adamowicz R&M pattern stock with minor changes. The R&M stocks date back to about 1979. Most of the originals were made of Kevlar.
Here is a picture of a fiberglass original R&M stock, a "Speedy" stock and the mold master for the Rimrock R&M:
Bob was a designer who thought ahead and outside of the box. His stock design has been used by many and has proven successful no matter who is making it or under what name it is called--but for me, I feel it is appropriate to give credit where credit is due--all of the designs are the Adamowicz pattern!
Jim
Boyd Allen
Active member
Jim,
To stir the pot a bit, other than being an extreme pain to work with, what is your opinion of Kevlar as a stock material?
Boyd
To stir the pot a bit, other than being an extreme pain to work with, what is your opinion of Kevlar as a stock material?
Boyd
Jim Borden
New member
Boyd
It deadens vibrations well--but is weak for stock construction. Before everyone jumps on me for that statement -I should explain. Graphite and fiberglass work well in an epoxy structure as they become part of the structure. kevlar does not bond well with epoxy and needs additives and surface treatment to get the epoxy to stick to it. So even though the fiber itself is strong--the composite made from it is weak for use as beams or structural units (works well though for body armor). I always liked it as a stock material even though you could get some more fore end flex than one gets from the graphite stocks. The problem with it was cutting it and working the finished stocks as the fibers would become exposed and fuzz.
Jim
It deadens vibrations well--but is weak for stock construction. Before everyone jumps on me for that statement -I should explain. Graphite and fiberglass work well in an epoxy structure as they become part of the structure. kevlar does not bond well with epoxy and needs additives and surface treatment to get the epoxy to stick to it. So even though the fiber itself is strong--the composite made from it is weak for use as beams or structural units (works well though for body armor). I always liked it as a stock material even though you could get some more fore end flex than one gets from the graphite stocks. The problem with it was cutting it and working the finished stocks as the fibers would become exposed and fuzz.
Jim
CYanchycki
Club Coordinator
Very interesting info......... I like that. A bit of stock history. Thanks guys.
Calvin
Calvin
Jim Borden
New member
I have machined buttplate blanks for the rear of my stocks and they should work on a BRX. Drop me an email.
I like pillar bed and glue in any boat technology stock--that is a stock that is hand laid and built from outside in and is open at top and depends on fill for structure. I use just bed and glue on encapsulated stocks such as the Lee Six Technology, the Rimrock woven stocks we used to make here and Bob Adamowicz's original stocks and of course the Scoville stocks fit that category.
Jim
CYanchycki
Club Coordinator
The latest rifle with the JTR stock I have gone to Pillar bedding and screw in for a start. I had Robertson composites do the work and there bedding and inletting is first class. Here is a link to the bedding pictures.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=496184
The hold off from glueing is every now and then some good rails come for sale so I have an action that could quite quickly be put into a rail.........
That is just my opinion.
Calvin
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=496184
The hold off from glueing is every now and then some good rails come for sale so I have an action that could quite quickly be put into a rail.........
That is just my opinion.
Calvin