Proposed IBS AR Rules

[Asa Yam]

Nobody [ not even you ] knows the potential of other mil platforms. Because they aren't allowed in US Highpower Matches there has been no development.

Incorrect. From the NRA Highpower Rifle Rulebook (available online at ):

3.1.4 Foreign Service Rifle - Any center fire, self–loading rifle, as issued for general service by the armed forces of any nation (except rifles described in NRA Rules 3.1, 3.1.1, 3.1.2 and 3.1.3), or the same type and
caliber of commercially manufactured rifle, having not less than a 4 ½ pound trigger pull, with standard type stock and standard leather or web sling. In all courses and in all positions the standard 10, 20, or 30–round box magazine will be attached. A hinged butt plate, if installed, will be used only in the folded position. The gas system, if any, must be fully operational. External alterations to the stock will not be allowed. The application of synthetic
coatings, which includes those containing powdered metal, to the interior of the stock to improve bedding is authorized provided the coating does not interfere with the original design, but may vary in dimensions of rear sight
aperture and front sight blade. The internal parts of the rifle may be specially fitted and include alterations which High Power Rifle will improve the functioning and accuracy of the arm, provided such alterations in no way interfere with the proper functioning of the safety devices as manufactured. Such rifles will be fired in the NRA Match Rifle Division. (Emphasis in the last sentence mine - Asa)​

In almost 17 years of shooting highpower, I've:

• Seen HK clones, SKS'es, FALs, and the occasional AK at highpower matches.
• Heard of people shooting Dragunov clones at long range matches - and getting soundly beaten.
• Read about someone shooting an SiG AMT rifle (semi-auto only Stgw 57, chambered for 7.62x51) in a silhouette match (iron animals). Said the shooter was doing mediocre, but the rifle itself drew attention because they're very rare. (Prices on one are supposedly very high.)
• Seen ads for "match grade" FALs (complete with front aperture sight, not the standard combat sight). I've never seen Match conditions FALs on highpower firing lines - only "stock" configurations.

If there were winning foreign made (or designed) semauto rifles out there, there would be high demand for them for highpower shooting. At present, there is really no significant demand for anything but AR-15s and AR-10s. Why?

• Good ergonomics,
• Accuracy. Which generally stays within reasonable limits. And which normally doesn't go out-of-whack on a whim,
• Lots of accessories available, and lots of quality parts (and some "kwality" ones too),
• Fairly reasonable prices on NEW parts and accessories,
• A wide range of cartridges that fit these rifles (or which can be made to fit),
• For the AR-15, a wide gunsmithing knowledge base. AR-10s are slightly trickier due to gas system issues.

 

[crb]

I stand corrected.

It is still my belief that some of these other mil platforms would do just fine if you eliminated the gas system. That's the most important mechanical advantage the AR has. The gas piston and cylinder is perfectly inline with the bore.

It will be interesting to see how much long term participation the AR class generates.

 

[mike in co]

Mike,
The whole point in allowing AR's is PROGRESS. CF BR is basically stagnant.
At first I thought the AGBR scoring plug was bogus but after using it to score an actual match I saw it's merit. Everybody is on a level playing field. That is EXACTLY what rules makers should be striving for. That is exactly what the majority of the shooters want. The only ones that don't want it are those with the skills, money or time to create a machinery advantage for themselves [ ie, you and me ]. Nobody loves gray areas of the rules more than I do but since I am also involved in making the rules for matches I also love to eliminate gray areas.

The IBS hopes to attract serious AR shooters but how many will be willing to fund a second upper just for shooting score BR ? As for your proposal for 2 classes :

You don't do it in BR why do it in AR BR ?????

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one, we are not shooting lasers, we shoot bullets. a bullet makes a hole, you get the results of YOUR shot. using a stepped plug is getting someone elses "hole" for your bullet. sorry just plain hogwash.
end of that discussion, each is entitled to thier opinion.

TWO, but we DO DO IT IN BR there is a caliber limit in lv( its just in the wrong place).
and we dont currently have a class based on a "platform" in br, so why not have a part of the new adventure based on the orginal caliber ?

sorry i sorta disagree with your view of a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. first , life is NOT FAIR, it is what you make of it, second, level is a set of rules that all follow before they shoot, after the shooting starts, you benefit/or not based on how you applied the rules to your choices and skills, and that includes the size of hole your bullet makes.
mike in co

 

[mike in co]

thanks asa.......


mike in co