Problem with shells feeding

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I have a 700 BDL short action that has been trued, re blued and gone thru several iterations. The receiver was originally a .223. I bought a Kiff bolt and had a custom 250 Savage bbl installed. As a single shot the gun shoots a hole but has problems feeding from the magazine well. I think it is because the rails in the receiver are for the smaller .223 case? This work was not don by the original guy. I would like to provide the gun with a detachable magazine/bottom metal upgrade and shoot the 250 Savage, functioning correctly. Can this be done? Should I return the gun to .223? and start over? I sorta would like to use this action/bbl combo for sentimental reasons.. but..original Feller, a dear dear friend has passed. Target gun guys abound but good general gunsmiths are at a premium around here.

Laser
 
I'm guessing that it can be done?

I have not a clue how to go about what you are suggesting.I am looking for someone to do the entire conversion. I would like to have a 4 shot dm installed.

Tim Thompson
Hanover PA
717-637-0270
 
LASER said:
I have not a clue how to go about what you are suggesting.I am looking for someone to do the entire conversion. I would like to have a 4 shot dm installed.

Tim Thompson
Hanover PA
717-637-0270
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Look at the H-S Precision kit, not cheap but it works. I still think you will need work on the action rails however.

Jim
 
rail work/

Jim Kobe said:
Look at the H-S Precision kit, not cheap but it works. I still think you will need work on the action rails however.

Jim
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Is the work required on the rails a big deal? Can it be done by most qualified gun smiths? Would it be easier to go back to .223?

Thanks for your input.

TMT
 
Put in a magazine box, follower, & spring from a 22-250 or a 243/308 & it will work perfectly. The 223 box is smaller & gives problems as you found.
Regards,
Ron
 
The OP's issue is that he has a .223 action. The feed rails are totally wrong for larger cases and no detachable magazine kit will fix this until the action is machined to the correct dimensions.

A good gunsmith will have no trouble with this. By that I mean a smith that has a fully equipped ship with a milling machine and the skill to use it.
 
RJM said:
Put in a magazine box, follower, & spring from a 22-250 or a 243/308 & it will work perfectly. The 223 box is smaller & gives problems as you found.
Regards,
Ron
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It was done when the gun was rebarelled. Box,follower and spring from a 308. The new PT&G bolt does not work as well as the OEM .223. I suspect the workmanship on the part of the guy who did the rebbl. job and was trying to avoid taking it to him. Perhaps I should give him a chance to fix it before I go any further. As a tradesman, I always tried to not walk away from less than acceptable work but sometimes a body misses things. I appreciated someone pointing out a mistake and giving ME the opportunity to make it right. My options seem to be: return it to the guy, go back to .223 or take it somewhere else. I am not comfortable tackling this myself, given the information that I have now.

Thanks
Tim Thompson
 
LASER said:
It was done when the gun was rebarelled. Box,follower and spring from a 308. The new PT&G bolt does not work as well as the OEM .223. I suspect the workmanship on the part of the guy who did the rebbl. job and was trying to avoid taking it to him. Perhaps I should give him a chance to fix it before I go any further. As a tradesman, I always tried to not walk away from less than acceptable work but sometimes a body misses things. I appreciated someone pointing out a mistake and giving ME the opportunity to make it right. My options seem to be: return it to the guy, go back to .223 or take it somewhere else. I am not comfortable tackling this myself, given the information that I have now.

Thanks
Tim Thompson
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You nailed it in your original post when you said that the feed rails had not been opened up when the rifle was converted to the Savage case size. It does not necessarily mean that the smith is incompetent. You did say that it shoots dots. There are a lot of guys that are very good with fitting barrels, chambering, and getting fine accuracy. Solving feeding problems is a rarer skill that, sad to say, many smiths never master.

Opening up the rails on your action to the 250 Savage (or 22-250 etc.) dimension is a little tricky and not a job for just anybody. If a detachable magazine box is used, the dimensions are less critical.

Is there any chance that your guy just missed the fact that it was a .223 action? If you don't feel comfortable giving him a chance to fix it, there should be someone in your area that has the skill. You can post and ask for recommendations.
 
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SGS said:
You nailed it in your original post when you said that the feed rails had not been opened up when the rifle was converted to the Savage case size. It does not necessarily mean that the smith is incompetent. You did say that it shoots dots. There are a lot of guys that are very good with fitting barrels, chambering, and getting fine accuracy. Solving feeding problems is a rarer skill that, sad to say, many smiths never master.

Opening up the rails on your action to the 250 Savage (or 22-250 etc.) dimension is a little tricky and not a job for just anybody. If a detachable magazine box is used, the dimensions are less critical.

Is there any chance that your guy just missed the fact that it was a .223 action? If you don't feel comfortable giving him a chance to fix it, there should be someone in your area that has the skill. You can post and ask for recommendations.
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Went to see my guy today. Seems that he was under the impression that the 223 rails would still work. After talking with him I recalled how we left things. He did Not have any dummy rounds to use, or any live ammo for that matter. When I originally picked up the gun went home and tried 4 rounds and they sorta kinda worked. I left it at that as I was gonna do the dm thing anyhow. The gun went into the safe for several years and all was forgotten.
Just got back to this thing a week ago sooooo. Turns out that pretty much any bottom metal will work. Things become problematic depending on which mag is employed. Using a mag that is a stagger feed will cause the same problem as the Remington box. Using a center feed makes things much easier. May not have to mess with the rails. Either way he says that we can make it work. We left it at me getting PT&G components and attempting to do it myself. They make a straight drop in kit that he says will probably work without any inletting. My guy recommended the 243/308 mag instead of the 22.250. Latter may be too short. If metal needs removed take it to him. Bob's your uncle. Kiff has a kit on sale for 99 bucks. It contains metal,mag and is a drop in fit. They have not seen them yet but Kathleen seemed confident that they will show up in April as expected,to be ready for early summer shipment.
Tim Thompson
 
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