Palm Trees

Stephen Perry

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Back in about 1975 my original BR smith Harvey Miller had a different way of deciding what days he would practice. Back then I was a sprout. Maybe I was the boy he never had but several times a year he would invite me up to San Leandro for a week vacation. Harvey and his wife would put me up in their daughters room on the tri-level of his modest home. Daughter was on her own by then. I thought it was neat becuse it gave me a home base to wander around the valley.

Certain days Harvey would tell me to check which way the Palm trees across the street were blowing usually around 6 am, he knew I would get up before him. His wife Pat was gone by 5 she worked at a Lucky market in Hayward as a meat cutter, tough woman kicked Harvey's butt when he needed it usually because he missed his orange juice can with his tobacco spit.

After I did my scientific observation of the direction and velocity of the palms, a Gene Beggs velociopter before I knew Gene, Harvey would decide if we were gong to the down town Range or to Richmond. I liked Richmond a better drive and a historic Range in SW Region BR. Either way it was worth being with Harvey. Harvey had no patience but every sharp remark about BR was priceless. By then he had done it all in BR and everybody in BR loved him or hated him. Fortunately he tutored me. Harvey was what I called old school. Back in the 1950's the founding years of the NBRSA there were were no computers so lots of competitors wrote long detailed letters to eachother. The letters would go on during the year so that when the Directors meetings came up most matters were well discussed very little hard feelings amongst Directors as allot were privy to the others letters. Allen Bench a NW Region Director back in the 1960's was a good friend with Harvey the SW Region deputy Director later Director 4 terms. Both liked to write and Allen shared many of his letters along with other Director letters from the the 50's-80's with me. One thing about it guys letters between shooters were generally complete and historic. Not much that we discuss today wasn't written about before us.

One thing about this Palm Tree reading Harvey knew what the conditions were going to be at Richmond Range 20 miles away. He was a fierce competitor and a BR gunsmith one of the best of his time. He practiced for a reason, he was getting ready for a Shoot in the future. He could tell from the palms which Range across the Country was blowing the conditions he wanted to see, he'd been there before.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
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Oh good grief Stephen, learn to read tea leaves. Then when you are not shooting in Palm Springs and have no Palm's to read, just read the tea leaves.
 
Palm Springs Area

Jerry
For those that have been through the Palm Springs Valley you can imagine why there are no BR Ranges in the area except Louies tunnel. Those wind mills are there for a reason. At White Water rest stop below Cheeriako Summit and above Indio one time on my way back from a Phoenix Shoot I took out my wind gauge. Holding on to the flag pole I recorded 80+ winds. Phoenix Range area has had 120+ winds.

I live in a valley surrounded by 8000-11000 ft mountains. We are somewhat protected from the winds but not always. My now practice Range at Lytle Creek the pass about 4000 ft. The wind comes from the Sierra's through Death Valley through Barstow over Lytle Creek and straight down into our Valley. Watch one of those Fontana Nascar races Fontana is just below Lytle Creek Range. The Santa Ana winds come from off shore storms and rip through our Valley blowing over semis on the the I 15 freeway. Combine with fog and we make the news every year for 100 car/truck pile-ups. Besides that So Cal is a good place to live if. Just wish more of the Kalifornios would leave as they seldom do, they just talk crap and collect their retirement checks.

I'm sure every part of the Country has it's shooting challenges we have ours. Think about it, once you leave the San Bernardino area going East it is one big Desert until you reach East Texas about 1500 miles.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
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Stephen,
I enjoyed reading your post. Keep up the good work.

Here is some history that may do you some good. Years ago, to raise money for the construction of benches on the then new members range at the Fresno Rifle and Pistol Club (same benches as Visalia, shared forms), we sold bench sponsorships, and mounted engraved brass plates with the donors' names onto the back edges of the tails of the benches. The labor was donated by the members, but the sponsorships gave those who could not help with that a way to be a part of the project, and their sponsorships helped pay for the materials.

On a related matter, I think that some bench top shapes are the result of the builder not knowing an easy way to build what seem to be more complicated shapes to form. When we built the forms that were used to build the benches at Visalia and Fresno, I figured out an easy way to form any shape that you would like. I would be glad to share that information for your project at the Angeles range, and if you do bench sponsorships, for the cost of materials, let me know.

Boyd
 
Bench Memberships

Boyd thanks for the info. I collected plaque money 3 years ago for our hopefully soon to be started Angeles Range. Some 33 names at $50 each, most have paid, were collected still have room for more names. My Operations Manager has the money I have enough to buy the plaques. We are going to use the money to buy our Range Insurance first year and some material cost for bench construction.

Ron the Angeles Range Manager and our main sponsor is trying to finalize contracts with the government agencies involved in our Range development. The Angeles BR Range will be a new Range seperate from the Main Range.

Angeles Range has a web just type in Angeles Shooting Range in your search.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
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Trees a swayin in the breezeee....

HI Sthepen...I aplaud you efforts to build a new range in a major metropolatin area such as LA!! the rules and regs must be a nightmare in CA!!....I am spoiled here in the east,,,the trees and grass are overwhelming and the shooting is perfect 9mo. a yr....I hope to come out and shoot with you folks this spring (2010)...here is a pic of my "bak yard" range ....Roger
PS...added a winter pic...this is what it looks like here in Jan./Feb.!!!!grin..
 

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Roger

I was born back East in Maine. I like the area but they are Score shooters I am a Group Shooter. I have lived 54 years in the West and have a hard time leaving it. I bought into that Pecos Bill fable a long time ago.
Try to get some pics of the Angeles Range as it progresses. LA area as some refer to it changes as you drive into the foothills. Lots of cedar pine and scrub oak. Angeles Range is at the 3000 level. Deer and critters are common. Snow down to 4000' level at Lytle Creek range last year 4' of it. The mountains behind my house less than 5 miles away are 8000' elevation.

As a reference Bakerfield is 150 mile West & North from me. Visalia Range is up the road 225 miles from Upland. Ben Avery Range is 365 miles East & North.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
Seperate Post Roger

I am what you might call a Civil War enthusiast. West Virginia as you might know was part of Virginia at the beginning of the Civil War. West Virginia was pro Union and asked for statehood in 1863. Lots of dissension there. Lincoln needed border states like West Virginia, Maryland, Kentucky, Kansas, and Missouri to stay away from the South. Some 80 % of the Civil War was fought in Virginia.
Good stuff Roger. Your bench might be sitting on a cannon ball field.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
Stephen.
I left La Mesa, CA in 2000. I used to travel up your way to camp and explore the back country. Really liked it up there.
I lived out there for about 18 yrs. Really miss it.
Big Bear for skiing and camping, La Jolla for scuba diving, Salton Sea area for the camping, Ramona Meat Co. for venison and buffalo, and on and on. Great place to live. Except.....for all the BS.....
Now we are in the "Great White North". Little south of Detroit.
Had a score shoot today at WWCCA. A little cold. 31 degrees freezing rain and no wind.
 
Zippy

I enjoyed my BR trips to Ohio and Missouri. I enjoy all the areas in the US I have been as long as the bigots leave me alone. I don't fight fair.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
You guys are making me homesick again. I was born in Oakland, lived in San Leandro, Azusa, Covina and was stationed in San Diego and Lemoore, (Between Fresno and Visalia) When I was a kid, Azusa was a farm community of Strawberry fields and Orange groves. There were no Freeways and we could ride our bikes up to the the San Gabriel Valley Gun Club. We could shoot Rabbits in the San Gabriel River bed and nobody bothered a group of 14 year olds on bikes with rifles or shotguns strapped to the handlebars. As I grew older we had to go farther and farther into the Desert to find places to shoot and by the time I retired there were very few places left. When I moved up here to Northern Wisconsin, my first priority was to find a place where I could have my own Rifle range and hunt on my own land. Land was cheap up here then and it wasn't hard to find a place that fit my needs. My kids followed us up here and have raised families near by but I still miss California, the ocean and the beautiful San Gabriel and Sierra mountains.
 
Jerr

My family moved from Maine to So Cal in 1955. I 10 wasn't into LA until 1957. There weren't any paved roads East of San Bernardino back then. We came out on Route 66 through the Desert through the Lucerne Valley. Like I said earlier from San Bernardino to east Texas is 1500 miles of Desert. I too hunted rabbits and doves next to the Ontario airport until the 80's.

We now have 20 million out of the 35 million people in California in So Cal. California being the 3rd largest state has more open space than most any state. I drive San Bernardino County every week and some days see nobody for most of the day. That's the way I like it.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
Jerr.
Been hearing bad stuff up in WI.
Are y'alll going to be the next 'fornication????
I hear about some pretty liberal things up there.
No hunting, no firearms,...........no nothing.
 
Jerrschmitt

It sounds like it has been a very very long time sense you have been in California. Now days the 14 year old kids will have the guns strapped to their stolen cars not bikes.
 
The Real Mexican Bob

Dave is his alias. Ignore my local smith. He hasn't anwered my call today hands full of too many women. Zip lots of talk, every state faces the same regulations some get hit sooner than others. As I'm told by fish and game California issues more hunting and fishing licenses and has more hunting from out of staters than anywhere. Key is you have to drive to hunt in California.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
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