Not trying to start a firestorm but

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Redrock

Steve Grosvenor
I'm a VFS and Vhtr shooter and would like to attend and or support the NBRSA but they do NOT offer a class for me to shoot in, just wondering why that is?

It seems that they have enough money and don't need any more shooters, because VFS in the IBS does draw alot of shooters.

It would seem that the NBRSA wants to stay AWAY from VFS just confused because IBS allows all classes and to me thats just good business (I'm a small business owner).

That seems to me like a Drag racing track that has racers willing to run but for some reason show up and the Track Promoter tells them sorry but you'll need to go to the track across the street because we don't run that here.

Again not trying to start anything just wondering why this is?

Steve Grosvenor
 
how does that relate

Nbrsa and IBS are both centerfire, I don't understand the relevance of your comment. Didn't mention anything about rimfire.
 
Steve

NBRSA does not conduct tournaments. It is local clubs that do. If a local club can conduct VFS matches and make money, they will do it.

You're not starting a firestorm. It's a legitimate question and one that comes up, often.

JMHO

Ray
 
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Redrock said:
Nbrsa and IBS are both centerfire, I don't understand the relevance of your comment. Didn't mention anything about rimfire.
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Let's try another example: I don't know what type of small business you own, but let's say its a plumbing company. Now, one of your clients calls and wants to you do some electrical work. Your response would likely be "we don't do that, but I know somebody who does, let me give you their phone number."

Should your client be upset? No, of course not. Why are you upset that the NBRSA does not provide a "service" that you are willing to pay for?

Hope this helps explain my point.
 
I know a few shooters that shoot their legal Varmint Score rifles at a local NBRSA HFS match. They have fun, see their targets and pay their money but cannot compete except among themselves.
There must be a reason that this activity is being ignored by NBRSA, what is it?
 
Jay

I don't think it's being ignored by NBRSA. I admit that there are Board members and old timers who resist anything new but if the shooters want VFS they can get it done. Long Range Rifle and Pistol Benchrest were both resisted by NBRSA leadership but enough shooters wanted the new disciplines and the Board gave in. Pistol BR simply didn't have enough shooters for the local clubs to continue to offer it and so it died. Long Range is alive and healthy.

HBR does not have a following in many parts of the West and so you don't see too many clubs holding tournaments. VFS may be a discipline that would catch on at the clubs offering HBR but it will take shooters to make it happen.

Ray
 
RLHBUSL said:
Why are you upset that the NBRSA does not provide a "service" that you are willing to pay for?

Hope this helps explain my point.
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Not upset at all fairly new to the game and just trying to understand why does the IBS allow Hunter, Vhtr, Vfs in score and also the group classes and it would seem that NBRSA seems to be Geared towards group allowing only Hunter in the 6x class?

Was VFS tried in the NBRSA and failed? Again not upset at all don't know where you got that Idea, just asking the question because the two groups seem very similar and both are centerfire short range Br, and if the answer is ...Because thats the way it is, so be it.

Again not looking for a fight just a discussion.
 
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Funny You Should Ask

We had a discussion about this very subject at a recent NBRSA Registered Match.

Don't be surprised if you see an agenda item out of one of the Regions instituting Varmint for Score as an official NBRSA Registered Class.

Now, the Agenda Item actually being passed by the entire BOD is another question. It was brought up several years ago, and didn't even get a "second".

The reason that many stated that the NBRSA should institute Varmint for Score is simple. A lot of shooters like it, and they are all potential members, (dues paying members to be exact).

The down side seems to revolve around one main item. Clubs might forsake Group Matches. The reason being, it is much less of a hassle to have a score match. No Moving Backer, mainly.

If a club can make the same revenue with a lot less hassle, many Match Directors just might see the benefit in that.

The solution would be that any club wishing to hold a Varmint for Score Registered Match would also have to hold a Group Match.

Right now, any club that wishes to hold Registered Varmint for Score matches can simply become affiliated with the IBS. The Denton Club is doing just that. They have two NBRSA Registered Group Shoots, and will have a Registered IBS Varmint for Score Match the second weekend in October.

We shoot score at our Club Matches, and have good participation from the local Group Shooters. Many have even taken the step tobuild a specific Rifle for the occasion,mainly a 30BR or 30PPC.

We will see what the future holds........jackie
 
One thing that must

be overcome though, at least in the Gulf Coast Region, is that if you are an NBRSA club that decides to have an IBS VFS event you will be chastised and strongly encouraged by the NBRSA powers to not have it. At some point this animosity between our NBRSA old timers and the IBS should come to an end. Of course Israel and the Arab nations will probably get along some day too.
 
Redrock said:
I'm a VFS and Vhtr shooter and would like to attend and or support the NBRSA but they do NOT offer a class for me to shoot in, just wondering why that is?


Steve Grosvenor
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Just like NASCAR doesn't let rail dragsters run in their round track events. There is not an ALL for ALL in anything I know of.

In the meantime if you want to support the NBRSA, by all means join. We"ll be glad to have you.
 
Too bad we as a sport aren't open to more shooters who may shoot something a little different. We probably would get a few new ones in our disciplines. We can always relegate the ones that shoot all other guns to a class by themselves. (open?) As long as they can be physically integrated into our range setups, aren't destructive or a bunch of AlphaHotels let 'em shoot. Heck have a three shot group outta the box hunter class with those into self abuse shooting anything with case capacity over 50 grains, say, shoot at one end of the line or on their own relay. We gotta do something. It's sad to look down a lot of firing lines and see nothing but us grey haired pussle gutted old geezers up. It'd be nice to see an occaisional tight a-- blond or brunette or whatever ponytail shooting.,
 
Just a Shooter

Why not attend a NBRSA group shoot. It's fun, and good practice. I try to attend all types of BR matches in this area, both score and group. The more practice, the better. Well, I haven't got any better, but the theory is sound. Anyway, I shoot for fun.

Don
 
Redrock..it all boils down to the NBRSA being too vain to see the success of the VFS in the IBS organization...These two organizations have been like the NHRA and IHRA..it just ain't going to happen..:mad:
Stiller was correct it about as likely as the Israelis and Arabs coming to a lasting peace agreement...:rolleyes:
Our local club has problems getting BR shooters due to the SASS and its popularity...also we have so much hunting available most prefer to kill an animal than a paper target (a dead/wounded animal can't tell the story of poor marksmanship:D)...


Eddie in Texas
 
If a guy or a club goes in to buy a moving backer system and they have a good crowd of guys show up to each match, it's no wonder why they want to keep it going. They have $ invested and it's something they can count on enjoying year after year.

The same guy or match director could get a VFS match going and enjoy an easier setup and make more $ in addition to his group matches but we all know that match directors are not in this game for the money anyway.

I guess it boils down to what the shooters want and around my neck of the woods, that means group only.
 
It would seem

That it is what it is but life seems awful short for that kind of BS, thanks for all the reply's.
 
There has to be a compelling reason

why Score Shooting has grown and Group Shooting has declined. I find it interesting that NBRSA turns a deff ear to their members who want to shoot VFS. In my opinion, they could turn their attendance numbers around by simply doing that tiny thing but then, it's up to them. The Org allready has the targets necessary to sanction VFS so there isn't much to do but say Hell Yes, let's do er!
 
Some good points made in previous postings,

plus;

I feel it is a bit like American and National league baseball, one has a designated hitter, the other not.............without this difference how could you tell the 2 apart.............you couldnt, it would all just be "BASEBALL".

Without the differences between NBRSA and IBS.............then we would all have to go back to the good old happy days of the 1950's, and shoot only under one organisation known as "BENCHREST".

Might as well ask why are there Democrats and Republicans? I suspect as long as there are different viewpoints and preferences, you will always have those differing organisations representing the distinctions.............Don
 
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