Loading a mill

well we call 'em all bobcats out here and some of them will lift a house...and some idiots can tip any one of them over in a parking lot.

rolling on pipes is scarey. A bucket of golf balls and some sheets of plywood will let you move the world too, 360 degrees. I've rolled around quite a bit of this stuff and absolutely WILL NOT do it without a serious confab, powwow, palaver, parlay, sitdown or safety meeting whatever all y'ALL's call it in your neck of the woods. Rule Number One with Heavy Stuff (IMO) There will be ONE guy in charge. For ME, this is gener'ly me, since I'm most often the one paying the fiddler. If I'm not in charge I back down, stay down, squat and grunt when told.

Here are a few of my rules :)

#1, I'm in charge. YOU WILL NOT MOVE without my sayso....
#2, we will go SLOWER.....
#3, if it falls, YOU WILL SCATTER!!! You WILL NOT try to catch it. If you're catching something I've already FUBAR'd the job. losing limbs doesn't make it better.
#4, if it's hard, we're doing something wrong. "Muscling" thousands of pounds is stupid.
#5, when the heavy thing stops moving when you want it to move, you will STOP and find out why!

etc etc along those lines.

I'm glad you're asking for ideas

al

We pretty much agree 100%. I was running the farm by my self when I was in 8th grade. That required things like mounting the cultivator on the front of the Farmall 400, installing and removing the loader, and so forth. I had to move and position them using blocks, chains, and what ever simple machine I could come up with. The cultivator was the most difficult.

Moving something like a mill is tricky too, because it has no suspension. There would be no warning, if it goes at all, it's gone. You are right - let it go and never be close enough it can get you.

I sold my CNC mill last year, the FTV2 in the trailer picture I posted. I moved it out to the middle of the shop floor, go it up onto it's steel pallet, bolted it down, borrowed my nephew's LS185, loaded it on the trailer, and with my wife driving the other truck to haul the SkidSteer, delivered and positioned it in it's new home shop by my self.

The whole process took me about 5 hours taking my time.

It can be done, the key is knowing how.

Eidted to add: Moving a mill, getting it onto pipes (I moved mine on pieces of 1/2" black pipe machinery rollers cleverly concealed between moves as 1/2" pipe clamps), requires rocking it. I always rock it fore and aft, the direction in which it has the most stability. I use hardwood wedges to limit movement. I use a long prybar to rock it back, I used the portapower under the ram to rock it forward with full control. I take it up in small steps using hardwood blocks created for the task. It can be steered on pipes using the portapower angled under the back of the ram. It's easy to control motion using wedges as preset stops. Let it go a few inches slooooowly, reset the wedges, steer pipes with a deadblow hammer, it's not fast but it works.

The most important tool is the brain. It's directives are executed by careful application of prybars, portapower, comealong, wedges, pipes, and solid blocking.

Always think in terms of stability and how to make gravity your friend.

Fitch
 
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Has it been said yet ..before driving off check everything that might fall off and be lost like handwheels and the knee crank handle..Even the covers of control boxs have disappeared on long drives... I once lost the air filter housing off my brand new upright air compressor on its ride to my house, very lucky to go back and found it.
 
Has it been said yet ..before driving off check everything that might fall off and be lost like handwheels and the knee crank handle..Even the covers of control boxs have disappeared on long drives... I once lost the air filter housing off my brand new upright air compressor on its ride to my house, very lucky to go back and found it.

No, it hasn't been said yet, but it's a very good comment. I know a guy that lost the tailstock off his lathe (Pristine South Bend Heavy 10) some place in a 200+ mile trip hauling it home, and he didn't find it either.

Fitch
 
If it is a Bridgeport type of mill take the time to rotate the head around as far as possible set the table and knee to spread the load around and lower the center of gravity. If you use a fork lift put 2x4' under the dovetail of the headstock ram or you stand a chance of breaking them, seen it done.
Good Luck

when you get ready to move a piece of machinery, get a few 2x4's and block all the vertical stuff solid! Then cut a couple short pieces (exactly the same length) and jam the saddle into the vertical ways. Then after all is tight I'd recommend pulling the head off a Bridgeport (or clone). Pulling the ram as well helps as well. If you can, try and put the spindle head inside the truck cab! The vibration from the road trip is real hard on the spindle bearings.

Goto Lowes and get your hands on some round stock or steel pipe to aid in positioning the machine. Be gentle with your moves as more than one guy ended up under a machine when it decided to rotate. Also get some 1/2" x 6" x 6" 1020 CRS plates (you'll need three or four) and some shim stock. Make sure the floor is smooth and there are no cracks or joints under the machine. After the base is on the pads a few days you can level it. A .0005" bullseye level is plenty good enough.
gary
 
well we call 'em all bobcats out here and some of them will lift a house...and some idiots can tip any one of them over in a parking lot.

rolling on pipes is scarey. A bucket of golf balls and some sheets of plywood will let you move the world too, 360 degrees. I've rolled around quite a bit of this stuff and absolutely WILL NOT do it without a serious confab, powwow, palaver, parlay, sitdown or safety meeting whatever all y'ALL's call it in your neck of the woods. Rule Number One with Heavy Stuff (IMO) There will be ONE guy in charge. For ME, this is gener'ly me, since I'm most often the one paying the fiddler. If I'm not in charge I back down, stay down, squat and grunt when told.

Here are a few of my rules :)

#1, I'm in charge. YOU WILL NOT MOVE without my sayso....
#2, we will go SLOWER.....
#3, if it falls, YOU WILL SCATTER!!! You WILL NOT try to catch it. If you're catching something I've already FUBAR'd the job. losing limbs doesn't make it better.
#4, if it's hard, we're doing something wrong. "Muscling" thousands of pounds is stupid.
#5, when the heavy thing stops moving when you want it to move, you will STOP and find out why!

etc etc along those lines.

I'm glad you're asking for ideas

al

machinery has been moved with steel rollers for at least a hundred years, and for many years was the only way. Be carefull how you move anything with a forklift! I've made a lot of money undoing the damage caused by a fork truck! The last couple Bridgeports I rebuilt were actually lifted via the ram and polyester slings setup in a choker hold. The basic machine weighs less than 2500lb., and with the ram centered, it's easy.
gary
 
My bridgeport was in a flood so it needed all new bearings. Within a day of the flood, I took it apart and hauled it home
in pieces. Actually pretty straight forward. I did take the table off and that allowed the base to haul easy in a pick up.
 
.......when you get ready to move a piece of machinery, get a few 2x4's and block all the vertical stuff solid! Then cut a couple short pieces (exactly the same length) and jam the saddle into the vertical ways.


Now 'AT'S some good thinkin' right thar!!

al
 
I had mine moved across Phoenix for $125.00. I would not spend the time to do it my self. This was a hard working small equipment moving company. Did my lathe as well.

John
 
Now 'AT'S some good thinkin' right thar!!

al

I hate to think how many new pieces of machinery I've set over the last forty years. Most of it is not rocket science, but simple engineering. If the slides vibrate, they will damage whatever they mate to. Also brutal on the lead screws. The idea of removing the head is something I learned after rebuilding a half dozen one year. One of the heads got banged by an idiot on a fork truck. I absolutely do not recommend picking the machine up via eye bolts!! Too much stress in a concentrated area. Also the best way to pick the table up is with flat CRS bar stock in the tee slots. It is a trick I learned from Devlieg about thirty years ago. They absolutely were against the use of eye bolts on any slide except "Y" axis.
gary
 
I've got CRS.... just can't remember where it is or what I needed it for or why I bought it or even if I still have it...

al

(i think?)
 
Well I thank you all for your ideas. I will have to put them in the memory banks for now.
Long story short, I got slow rolled by this guy. No deal on this one. I will keep my eyes open for another deal.

Thanks again,

Tim
 
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