Jacket manufacturing
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Centerfire
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You might Google deep drawing brass or copper.
Centerfire
Centerfire
The biggest problem is, according to Mike Walker, in getting very even copper sheeting. When Remington made their famous .22 benchrest bullets under Walker's care, they rejected a number of shipments until the supplier got the message. That was back in the days when Remington was a DuPont company, and you can imagine the clout DuPont had.
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hati666
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Hello guys..I know where the bullet proof jacket is made which is near to my house a branded company is made up these types of jackets..Small scale they used for the jacket.
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Ive also wondered why theres such a problem with jackets and materials to make my own.
perfecting the dies is do able but getting guilding metal is a small quantity for proto type dies.
Thats another story. It seems no one that i have contacted is willing to sell a small quantity like 10 or 15 pounds at a reasonabnle price.
some wanted as much as $40 Pound and a min of 50 pounds for a start.
Thats totaly unreasonable , Copper is around $4 a pound zinc is even less.
perfecting the dies is do able but getting guilding metal is a small quantity for proto type dies.
Thats another story. It seems no one that i have contacted is willing to sell a small quantity like 10 or 15 pounds at a reasonabnle price.
some wanted as much as $40 Pound and a min of 50 pounds for a start.
Thats totaly unreasonable , Copper is around $4 a pound zinc is even less.
Butch Lambert
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I'll try to say this in a nice way. Very few of you have a clue what is involved in making precision jackets. Do you wonder why a lot of folks are not making them?
Thats true making precision jackets is not an easy thing to do. But its do able.
Many dies are involved and many draws. It easier to just buy jackets. It probably will cost more tto make your own too.
The only reason a person should think about it is to see if he can do it. start up can be pretty pricey/
If you wanted just plinking bullets then that would be a little cheaper.
Try this Link www.castboolits/gunloads.com. Thats a site that talks about boolits in general.
casting swaging paper patch etc etc. They even make jacketed boolits from old cases. 22 rf and pistol some rifle also
Many dies are involved and many draws. It easier to just buy jackets. It probably will cost more tto make your own too.
The only reason a person should think about it is to see if he can do it. start up can be pretty pricey/
If you wanted just plinking bullets then that would be a little cheaper.
Try this Link www.castboolits/gunloads.com. Thats a site that talks about boolits in general.
casting swaging paper patch etc etc. They even make jacketed boolits from old cases. 22 rf and pistol some rifle also
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B.Johnson
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Think about the line of outomated machinery, material, and the small market your selling to.With that kind of cash outlay, I am not going to cater to benchrest shooters.
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max.burgess
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making bullets
Ive seen you tube videos on making bullets. Max
Ive seen you tube videos on making bullets. Max
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MarkR
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Back in the late 50's and through the 60's, two brothers (Dave and Ed Walker) here in Louisville, Ky convinced the U.S. government that they could use bullets at extreme velocities and high speed photography to design, improve and prove nose cone disigns for supersonic aircraft and missiles. They were the Walker Bros. and no relation that I know of to Mike Walker of Remington. They were very fine tool and die makers as well as gunsmiths, and proceeded to use copious quantities of Uncle sugars money to set up a fantastic shop. They made barrels, actions, bullets and anything else that they needed to prove their theories. My dad knew them and we visited their shop many times and were allowed to look at, handle and shoot rifles they had made...from 8 caliber to 6mm. I remember distinctly many of their conversation concerning their consistantly biggest problem....concentric bullet jackets.
They had used factory jackets from Sierra, Speer, Hornady and a few others I can't remember....all with the same complaint, non-concentric bullet jackets.
Ed, with his mechanical engineering degree and his brother sat out to manufacture their own bullet jackets, really concentric bullet jackets. They successfully did so at the expense of an exorbitant amount of time and tons of the governments money.
Not saying it can't be done......I am saying that it can't be done practically....IMHO
Mark
They had used factory jackets from Sierra, Speer, Hornady and a few others I can't remember....all with the same complaint, non-concentric bullet jackets.
Ed, with his mechanical engineering degree and his brother sat out to manufacture their own bullet jackets, really concentric bullet jackets. They successfully did so at the expense of an exorbitant amount of time and tons of the governments money.
Not saying it can't be done......I am saying that it can't be done practically....IMHO
Mark
Time consuming and critical
Most of the jackets that we use in benchrest are drawn between 4-6 times. The process is as follows: Find precision gilding material. Blank and cup it. Draw it down by pushing the cup through a smaller hole with the proper lead angle with precision sized punches. Do this in stages, just like necking down a case until the desired diameter is reached. Pinch trim with a punch that has a 45 degree step to the desired length, or trim them in a lathe like Sierra does. To do this with any speed requires an automatic press, like a punch press, and automatic feeding systems. If one planned on doing this with a reloading press, you would have as much time in each jacket as pointing up 6 bullets, maybe more.
I have spoke with others about setting up and making jackets. The price of jackets is off the scale. Just because copper has gone up, it's highly unlikely that the material cost over 5 cents for any jacket we use. My opinion is jacket maker profits has tripled with the excuse of copper prices. The main thing that keeps us buying from existing jacket suppliers, is the fact that few of us have the time to dedicate to setting up a jacket manufacturing plant. If any jacket manufacturers believe that none of us have the skills or know how to manufacture quality jackets, they are deceived.
Michael
Most of the jackets that we use in benchrest are drawn between 4-6 times. The process is as follows: Find precision gilding material. Blank and cup it. Draw it down by pushing the cup through a smaller hole with the proper lead angle with precision sized punches. Do this in stages, just like necking down a case until the desired diameter is reached. Pinch trim with a punch that has a 45 degree step to the desired length, or trim them in a lathe like Sierra does. To do this with any speed requires an automatic press, like a punch press, and automatic feeding systems. If one planned on doing this with a reloading press, you would have as much time in each jacket as pointing up 6 bullets, maybe more.
I have spoke with others about setting up and making jackets. The price of jackets is off the scale. Just because copper has gone up, it's highly unlikely that the material cost over 5 cents for any jacket we use. My opinion is jacket maker profits has tripled with the excuse of copper prices. The main thing that keeps us buying from existing jacket suppliers, is the fact that few of us have the time to dedicate to setting up a jacket manufacturing plant. If any jacket manufacturers believe that none of us have the skills or know how to manufacture quality jackets, they are deceived.
Michael