IBS Anual Meeting Summary - actions in wake of PS Magazine demise

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Jeff Stover

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IBS Annual Meeting Summary - actions in wake of PS Magazine demise

A summary of today’s IBS Annual Meeting is posted at www.internationalbenchrest.com.
Also on our site is my PowerPoint presentation.

Below are some highlights:
In the wake of the demise of Precision Shooting magazine, the IBS EBoard considered two options: buying space in NBRSA’s Precision Rifleman Magazine; or pursue a Web option. After careful review of many factors, the IBS Executive Board has agreed in principle to partner with accurateshooter.com. This site receives 130,000 unique visitors per week. This arrangement does NOT replace internationalbenchrest.com or IBSmagazine.com.

The partnership with accurateshooter.com will result in unprecedented coverage of all IBS Nationals (600, 1000, Score, Group) plus 12 “featured matches” per year. For those that want to see the entire results data, the full information will be on the IBS website and linked from accurateshooter.com.

This represents the first phase of the partnership. The second phase will be the development, from scratch, of a new match scoring and reporting system for all disciplines. The system could operate as a “virtual machine” without Internet access at the range. If a range has Internet connectivity, it is envisioned to be able to offer real time results on the Web. We may be looking at a paradigm shift in benchrest scoring and dissemination of information, results and shooter rankings.

One of the other ideas we discussed today was a special match later that may be held later this year. It would be a 300 yard competition and be open to rifles in various flavors: LV/HV 6PPC, VFS/H 30BR, 600/1000 yard Light Gun, F-Class and maybe others. Which of these rifles can prevail at 300 yards? We envision a day of practice and a single day of competition with one warm-up and five targets for aggregate. IBS rules will be used. We are exploring both range and possible sponsors. The working title is the accurateshooter.com/IBS 300 Yard Battle. We are pretty serious about pursuing this special shoot, it is not a "pipedream". I have already talked to one match director about using his range.

Effective February 1, 2013, IBS dues will fall to $45 per year (international dues will be reduced accordingly). Members may elect to pay a special $5 fee to receive two small informational mailings per year from IBS.

Major agenda items decisions:
>Varmint Hunter and Hunter Classes were merged into a single (6-power) class: Hunter Class (while maintaining separate records for each).
>Shooters must now be a member of IBS to compete at IBS tournaments (Williamsport 1000 Yard Club members may continue to compete at IBS 1000 yard Nationals).
>In 1000 yard shooting, the colors left by paint-marked bullets may be used to help determine crossfires.
>Bylaws were amended to allow the EBoard to institute Internet-based voting. The members were cautioned that this is a complicated matter that will take some time to implement.
>The President was authorized to appoint up to two additional members to each discipline committee (designed to ensure geographic representation).

See the IBS website for more details.

Jeff Stover
IBS President
 
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alinwa said:
"the accurateshooter.com/IBS 300 Yard Battle."

hey, that's cool!
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That would be interesting Al. I have a friend in Italy who shoots a little benchrest, but mainly 300 meter ISU.

That's relevant because I *think* I saw that after years of choosing the 6mm BR with fairly high BC bullets, the ISU shooters have gone to the 6 PPC.

But that was just a (sometimes) failing memory of an internet article, & it would be good to find out what the 300 meter guys have learned over the years, and are -- statistically speaking -- actually doing now.

In the end, it will likely depend on two things.

(1) Fomat: shoot for group, score, or both?

and

(2) Who shows up? Will any WBC team members be there? I'd note that 300 yards is considered short range, & while not too often shot, it is a standard distance in short range BR, both score & group.

The point-blank guys have a lot of experience using the last shot to help with the next one. The long-range guys, who usually can't see their bullet holes in the paper, haven't had much practice at that.
 
Charles - in order to level the playing field we were thinking both group and score, like how long range is structured. Also, maybe two sets of aggs. One 5-shot and other 10-shot with the first shot on Saturday and the latter on Sunday. Friday a practice day. Pretty tentative right now, but the interest is there. My thought is to welcome any rifle that can be made safe, any sights, no return to battery. Let's keep it to LG weight or less.

jks
 
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Jeff, It would be a little more interesting to use just range flags at three yard lines, instead of the usual field of full of flags. this would keep it a little more even....... jim
 
I'm all for it !!!!

My input is:
- Even though 300yds is short range distance, its cool with me, even though it plays more on the lines of short range. But then run the format more like LR, F-Class, and High Power where once the record string starts, no more sight'ers on the target
Run a sight in period fallowed immediately by the record strings. Now you have all disciplines covered to a more neutral ground.

Donovan Moran
 
dmoran65 said:
I'm all for it !!!!

...where once the record string starts, no more sight'ers on the target
Run a sight in period fallowed immediately by the record strings. Now you have all disciplines covered to a more neutral ground.
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Uh, Donovan, I've shot a fair bit of 300 yard short range BR, because the NBRSA SouthEastern region use to hold a Regional Championship Match at Charlotte NC every year. I loved it. Shot a PPC and a sometimes a standard .30BR in HV, because that .30BR was the most accurate rifle I owned. I could usually claw my way into the top 10, & even won HV one year.

OK, those are the bona fides if they're needed. Here's the point:

You don't often need extra "sighters" at 300 yards. You can quite clearly see where your last shot printed. The only time you'd go to the sighter is, well, time's running out, and you can't figure out what the hell that new condition is doing. That kinda makes it a matter of luck, because there will be plenty of relays where the prominent condition stays around a long time, so seeing the last shot is good enough.

If you want to level the playing field, require 6X scopes & no spotting scopes. But then, no one would come...

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Well, maybe the 1K shooters would come. They'd feel right at home.
 
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Charles -

I to shot SR Group back in the day (early 2000's -NBRSA) and my experience, dropping down to sighters was done more then it was not. The boys who "ruled the roost" shot more ammo the further the distance.

Using the short range "drop down" format at 300yds and that is what it would be, a short range event.

Just my opinion......
Donovan
 
Limit flags...:D Hows about a 13.5 lb weight limit! :) Limit sighters....or a 30 cal, 35 gr. powder charge limit, maybe limit it to those that load at the range...whatever you guys want. How about limiting 5 shot targets to 5 min record time, that will bring the shooters out!
Mark
 
MarkR,

Limiting to 13.5 pounds would eliminate every 600/1000/fclass rifle on the planet. Limiting to 35 gr of powder would eliminate at least 50 % of the 600/1000/fclass guns on the planet. These two rules alone would gaurintee this to be an all SR afair.

Most shooters in all IBS sanctioned events from 100 to 1000 go "UP" in weight class. I would bet that in the 600/1000 yard game that there arn't any more than 30% dedicated heavy gun rigs. They shoot thier LG in the HG class. I am not a short range guy, but EVERYONE tells the new guy to build a 10.5 lb gun so he can compeat in both LG and HG with one gun. What would the percentage of LG's compeating in the HG class in short range? I'll bet it is north of 50%!!

Nope....I say if you want the LR guys and the"f" class guys shooting in this speical event, you got to raise the weight limit to 22 lbs and forget about the 35 grain max rule..

Then there is the whole muzzle brake thing...the 3" forend thing...ect.
 
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Tod,
I was basically just kidding about limiting all of that stuff. Shoot what ya brung as long as it's not a rail gun is the way I see it, although I really don't care to shoot next to a 30-378 with an MB. If it's close enough I would like to participate.
Mark



Tod Soeby said:
MarkR,

Limiting to 13.5 pounds would eliminate every 600/1000/fclass rifle on the planet. Limiting to 35 gr of powder would eliminate at least 50 % of the 600/1000/fclass guns on the planet. These two rules alone would gaurintee this to be an all SR afair.

Most shooters in all IBS sanctioned events from 100 to 1000 go "UP" in weight class. I would bet that in the 600/1000 yard game that there arn't any more than 30% dedicated heavy gun rigs. They shoot thier LG in the HG class. I am not a short range guy, but EVERYONE tells the new guy to build a 10.5 lb gun so he can compeat in both LG and HG with one gun. What would the percentage of LG's compeating in the HG class in short range? I'll bet it is north of 50%!!

Nope....I say if you want the LR guys and the"f" class guys shooting in this speical event, you got to raise the weight limit to 22 lbs and forget about the 35 grain max rule..

Then there is the whole muzzle brake thing...the 3" forend thing...ect.
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dmoran65 said:
Charles -

I to shot SR Group back in the day (early 2000's -NBRSA) and my experience, dropping down to sighters was done more then it was not. The boys who "ruled the roost" shot more ammo the further the distance.

Using the short range "drop down" format at 300yds and that is what it would be, a short range event.

Just my opinion......
Donovan
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Yeah, there a couple styles, and no clear truth. Guys who ruled the SE region were run & gun, they only went to the sighter if they were in deep doo-doo. Campbell & Boyer skipped the 300 yard matches, but Ed Watson, Col. Billy Stevens, and Bart Sautier usually came.

I sort of think it'll be a short-range event in any case. If I were to build a rifle for this event, I'd chamber up a 6 PPC with a 10-twist barrel (well, 10-15 barrels if you want to be sure of a really good one) & use the 95 grain BIBs. That twist would let in some Berger's, too. Or that's where I'd start. If your boltface wold take a .475 case, a 6-BR should do as well.

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Now, 450 yards would be a more interesting trial, halfway between 300 and 600...
 
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MarkR said:
Tod,
I was basically just kidding about limiting all of that stuff. Shoot what ya brung as long as it's not a rail gun is the way I see it, although I really don't care to shoot next to a 30-378 with an MB. If it's close enough I would like to participate.
Mark
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OOPPS...i guess I missed the meaning of the litlle smilyface!!!

If it were me running this thing....AND IT'S NOT....I agree with the above......"run what ya brung, and rest it on whatever you like. it is a fun thing...no SOTY points involved!!

Lets do it...twice....once out east and once here out west!!!
 
To Jeff Stover:

BTW, one reason they don't have 10-shot groups at 600 yards is the lack of moving backers.

Wherever you hold the match, better make sure there are moving backers.
 
What i think will be interesting is when the point blank guy shoots beside a .338 with a brake ......LOL..jim
 
jim1K said:
What i think will be interesting is when the point blank guy shoots beside a .338 with a brake ......LOL..jim
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Or when a guy use to 30+ inch barrels shoots next to a guy with a 20-inch barrel -- the muzzle being almost a foot closer does give a certain *ring* long-range guys aren't use to.

This from someone who actually shoots a .338 with a brake, and the newest addition, a .30 PPC with a 20-inch barrel.
 
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