Here is a mystery.......
- Thread starter MColeman
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At long range I've seen this sort of thing many times. Usually when a target is blowing around a little, it will sometimes be touching the backer when the bullet arrives. When that happens, you'll get a bullet hole that appears to be a full caliber larger than the rest, and the colors of the holes will be different.
An easy test to repeat this is to make a backer that has a slight bow to it. Fasten the target so it will stay tightly against the backer, and shoot it. Those holes will look similar to the rare one shown. When the target is up against tight, it looks more like there was a wad cutter went through. I don't even try to explain the rest (why it blows forward instead of back, etc)
An easy test to repeat this is to make a backer that has a slight bow to it. Fasten the target so it will stay tightly against the backer, and shoot it. Those holes will look similar to the rare one shown. When the target is up against tight, it looks more like there was a wad cutter went through. I don't even try to explain the rest (why it blows forward instead of back, etc)
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Vibe
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I can believe it John. I once "caught" a 180 grain 30-06 round at 200 yards inside a fairly thin gauge cookie tin. Went in just short of tangent and spun around inside for a while.
I've seen returns twice. Once we were shooting rats, squirrels and targets of opportunity at the dump. I fired at a ceramic toilet. It came back HARD, or at least noisy and close. Another time two of my friends were asked to clean the chipmunks out of a stone wall, they had their glasses on and were "safe" as one can be along a stone wall. One of them fired into the rocks and the bullet exited 10ft away near the other shooter.
Then there's this..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53rtoxjfi0
al
Then there's this..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53rtoxjfi0
al
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Vibe
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Once when I was younger and a lot less intelligent - I shot the hard pack ground at my feet with a Ruger 22 pistol. The bullet "bounced" straight up to about eye level and I reached out and grabbed it with my other hand. Of course I didn't hold onto it very long, as it was still very hot from the experience. I knew it was stupid thing to have done the instant I'd done it.
Bill Gammon
New member
This is what happens when a Westener gets into Newfie Screech, I see it all the time.
MERRY CHRISTMAS everybody
MColeman
Club Coordinator
John, I retired after nearly 48 years as an insurance agent. I doubt anyone is going to question my word...............y'reckon?
MColeman
Club Coordinator
When Charles posted Joel Pendergraft's name I thought it sounded right but there was still a nagging doubt in my mind. I just could not think of Joel Kendrick's name. My apologies to Charles.
Wilbur has always been smarter than me and I knew if he read this post we'd get the name.
MColeman
Club Coordinator
Joel, you are correct, of course. It was Joel KENDRICK. I just knew his name was Joel Something-or-other.
You should ride down with Charles on one of his trips. You'll enjoy the experience.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your'n,
Mickey
Return shots
The only 'return shot' I can relate was a doozy.
At our local private range, a pal of mine took his 1928 stick mag. Thompson (the real deal) out for some fun. He had several full auto guns and was very cautious both in shooting them and who was around when he took 'em out...he waited until it was just the two of us, that evening. At that time, we had some 1" thick metal plates hanging at 200 yds. and he decided to crank off a few bursts while standing off to one side of the firing line. Even at 200 yds, those 45ACP slugs made a serious thud when they hit the gongs.
Brrrppp...thud, thud, thud.
Brrrppp...thud, thud, thud.
As I was watching, a bit of dust kicked up about 25 yds. in front of him and suddenly his rt. leg folded at the knee like someone had jerked it with a rope! Down he went, hard on his left knee. When I got over to him, he was pulling up the rt. leg of his pants and looking at his ankle. There, on the lateral aspect of his ankle, was a big red welt about an inch in diameter. Evidently, one of those 45 hard ballers had hit the gong, turned 180 degrees and headed right back at him. The dust I saw was the slug skipping off the ground on it's return flight.
Gave me a new respect for slow moving rounds, that's for sure. -Al
The only 'return shot' I can relate was a doozy.
At our local private range, a pal of mine took his 1928 stick mag. Thompson (the real deal) out for some fun. He had several full auto guns and was very cautious both in shooting them and who was around when he took 'em out...he waited until it was just the two of us, that evening. At that time, we had some 1" thick metal plates hanging at 200 yds. and he decided to crank off a few bursts while standing off to one side of the firing line. Even at 200 yds, those 45ACP slugs made a serious thud when they hit the gongs.
Brrrppp...thud, thud, thud.
Brrrppp...thud, thud, thud.
As I was watching, a bit of dust kicked up about 25 yds. in front of him and suddenly his rt. leg folded at the knee like someone had jerked it with a rope! Down he went, hard on his left knee. When I got over to him, he was pulling up the rt. leg of his pants and looking at his ankle. There, on the lateral aspect of his ankle, was a big red welt about an inch in diameter. Evidently, one of those 45 hard ballers had hit the gong, turned 180 degrees and headed right back at him. The dust I saw was the slug skipping off the ground on it's return flight.
Gave me a new respect for slow moving rounds, that's for sure. -Al
I've noticed this several times when scoring targets. I even mentioned it to Pat Callen who was recording the scores. I think your explanation Gene, makes the most sense since the target boards were fairly fresh and made of Celotex. If not, I hope the mystery shooter behind the berm doesn't raise his aiming point to our bench level.
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benenglish
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It can happen with faster-moving rounds, too. This is one of the more popularly re-posted vids on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0bl4O9Hj0w
Looks real to me. And real scary.
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Steve Shelp
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Looks like ya'll got it figured out. Charles E had sent me an email asking if this was my target. But in reading through the posts in order I thought of Joel Kendrick also. Wilbur was on top of it and figured it out first. Would love to go back to AL and shoot at 200yds again and see/support mickey and his crew. I was just getting a good handle on my rifle's tune when the match ended the last time. I think that was '09 when we went down there Charles. Because Dave Tooley and I had just gotten back from SD attending the 600yd Natl's. And that was the last big trip I've taken anywhere. Now if Mickey could just find a good singer for entertainement beside Brady..... "In the pines, in the pines.." I would come back in a heart beat. hehehehe What a character!
I have also seen the "backward" bullet hole at 1000yds before. First time was at the 1000yd Natl's in Quantico in 2001 it think it was. It was a target off from the high end of the line. I was a referee along with Tooley and I believe Danny Brooks. We all looked at it and thought at first the target had come loose and the corner flap simply folded over. But that should have left 6 physical holes in the target. But there was only 5 shots on paper. We didn't have the black celotex backing so the only thing that I could think of is if the bullet in question exactly doubled with a previous bullet hole already in the backer and maybe that shot was using moly or something along those lines.
We all know the bullet can't turn around and all shots on that targets and to the left and right were accounted for on their perspective targets. So it had to be imprinting from the backer in some way, shape, or form.
This is why when someone from the long range game files a protest saying that all shot are on paper due to a shot being "darker" than the other isn't NOT a valid arguement for finding that missing shot causing a DQ. Phillip yott has pointed it out many many times on target with ALL shots accoutned for and the black ring around all the shots varies in color and is sometime simply not there also. So you can not use the color of the ring on a bullet hole to make an arguement that a shot is doubled or not. This is a great example of why that dog doesn't hunt.
Merry Christmas!
Steve
I have also seen the "backward" bullet hole at 1000yds before. First time was at the 1000yd Natl's in Quantico in 2001 it think it was. It was a target off from the high end of the line. I was a referee along with Tooley and I believe Danny Brooks. We all looked at it and thought at first the target had come loose and the corner flap simply folded over. But that should have left 6 physical holes in the target. But there was only 5 shots on paper. We didn't have the black celotex backing so the only thing that I could think of is if the bullet in question exactly doubled with a previous bullet hole already in the backer and maybe that shot was using moly or something along those lines.
We all know the bullet can't turn around and all shots on that targets and to the left and right were accounted for on their perspective targets. So it had to be imprinting from the backer in some way, shape, or form.
This is why when someone from the long range game files a protest saying that all shot are on paper due to a shot being "darker" than the other isn't NOT a valid arguement for finding that missing shot causing a DQ. Phillip yott has pointed it out many many times on target with ALL shots accoutned for and the black ring around all the shots varies in color and is sometime simply not there also. So you can not use the color of the ring on a bullet hole to make an arguement that a shot is doubled or not. This is a great example of why that dog doesn't hunt.
Merry Christmas!
Steve
John Kielly
Shari's fan club
I shoot F class & recall seeing shots "crater" the target when an aiming mark has recently been applied & the material is still wet.
Shooting bowling pins will get you some ricochets. I got 4 ricochets 2 yrs ago. We switched to plates. We don't get them as much. Bowling pins started costing money. And we were getting too old to run out there to reset them.
Now we just pull a rope. And start shooting again. Lot of fun.
Now we just pull a rope. And start shooting again. Lot of fun.
AMMASHOOTA
Gary Gruber
Perhaps you have chosen to ignore this possibility: this was a rift in the time space continuum. Space has folded back on itself precisely at the instant the shot was fired.
this has inexorably altered the universe as we know it. it is of the utmost importance that someone return to precisely where this happened and carefully examine the area for any signs of a worm hole.
once found, a round of the same caliber must be fired in the opposite direction just as the worm hole begins to yaw. failure to do so could cause the hole to collapse upon itself, sucking all living matter into the dark vortex of nothingness.
have a nice day!
this has inexorably altered the universe as we know it. it is of the utmost importance that someone return to precisely where this happened and carefully examine the area for any signs of a worm hole.
once found, a round of the same caliber must be fired in the opposite direction just as the worm hole begins to yaw. failure to do so could cause the hole to collapse upon itself, sucking all living matter into the dark vortex of nothingness.
have a nice day!
SGJennings
New member
Only in California!
steve stanley
Well-known member
I have seen the same thing at a match at the rock, I have no idea what caused it to look that way.