Flag Rotation For The NBRSA Score Nationals?

Dick, are you

jackie schmidt said:
At the 2015 Groups Nationals, Mike Conry had the Left Hand Shooters Flag Rotation.

At a Group Nationals, I'm sure there are always enough left handlers to make up the bulk of a rotation. At a smaller event, I am not so sure, especially when held on a range with just 20 benches.

Left hand flags are generally set on a different line that right hand shooters. But I'm just speculating.
I'm sure David knows. He is a Director.
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are you thinking of coming to LA? Wow.

For all Southpaws, get in touch with the folks in charge at Western Louisiana and make arrangements for a LH rotation.

And Jackie, I was a director, I am not currently. I just keep myself a little more informed than most civilians.
 
David Halblom said:
are you thinking of coming to LA? Wow.

For all Southpaws, get in touch with the folks in charge at Western Louisiana and make arrangements for a LH rotation.

And Jackie, I was a director, I am not currently. I just keep myself a little more informed than most civilians.
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According to the minutes, December 2015 Precision Rifleman, page 29, Gulf Coast Region: the motion -later unanimously carried - states, " That at the GROUP (emphasis mine) Nationals, the individual who accepts the job of procuring and setting flags for a rotation (sponsor) will have control over what type and how the flags are set for that rotation." The key here specifying GROUP, and not including/referencing score, therefore, indicates that the rule does not apply to the Score Nationals.:eek:

Further, same issue, page 31, second paragraph, right hand column: GC Item #1, Mr Hunter sought clarification by the board on Mr. Conry's agenda item. Mr. Thornbury said that the agenda item states the person needs to ask to set flags; there is no prohibition on setting additional flags.

 So long as uncommon sense and sportsmanship prevail, we should be able to set flags as we see fit - in the end, even at a Notional Group Nationals, as always, the referees may need to, "make the call." :p;) RG
 
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Maybe I've missed it but does anyone have a direct answer to my question? I'm just curious...in the event that more than one person would like to set flags in their lane, and there is no flag sponsor that covers their lane, is there a rule in place that states any person has first choice to set flags of their choice and style of setting. I don't care what organization it is, but if such a rule exists, please state whose it is.

I understand that it can be worked out by the individuals, but if such a rule exists, there would be no need, being in black and white, the protocol. I was under the impression that the first relay's shooter would have choice, but I can't find it anywhere..yet. It seems like a logical way to prevent any hard feelings to simply state who has flag choice in the event of two people wanting to use different styles of flags and/or setting styles.

If it's there, in someone's rules..great. If not..no big deal, but I think it would be worth addressing.

I am surprised that so many in the area where Jackie shoots were willing and able to procure that many flags, when at every national score match I've been to, it was the exception rather than the rule, to have sponsored flag rotations. Kudos to those that were/are willing to spend that much money and time procuring and setting that many flags and poles. It's obvious, but hasn't been mentioned, that I've seen...flags are only part of the sponsor's responsibility. Most good poles are more expensive than the flags....some by a large degree.
 
R.G. Robinett said:
According to the minutes, December 2015 Precision Rifleman, page 29, Gulf Coast Region: the motion -later unanimously carried - states, " That at the GROUP (emphasis mine) Nationals, the individual who accepts the job of procuring and setting flags for a rotation (sponsor) will have control over what type and how the flags are set for that rotation." The key here specifying GROUP, and not including/referencing score, therefore, indicates that the rule does not apply to the Score Nationals.:eek:

Further, same issue, page 31, second paragraph, right hand column: GC Item #1, Mr Hunter sought clarification by the board on Mr. Conry's agenda item. Mr. Thornbury said that agenda item the person needs to ask to set flags; there is no prohibition on setting additional flags.

 So long as uncommon sense and sportsmanship prevail, we should be able to set flags as we see fit - in the end, even at a Notional Group Nationals, as always, the referees may need to, "make the call." :p;) RG
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Thanks for telling the complete story Randy.
I was having a hard time believing a person cannot use their own flags at a National event. I understand some common sense needs to be applied at any event about cluttering up the field of view. But flat out telling a person he cannot set his own flags on his own bench is somewhat beyond what I see as reasonable.

Dick
 
Dick Grosbier said:
Thanks for telling the complete story Randy.
I was having a hard time believing a person cannot use their own flags at a National event. I understand some common sense needs to be applied at any event about cluttering up the field of view. But flat out telling a person he cannot set his own flags on his own bench is somewhat beyond what I see as reasonable.

Dick
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It's not his Bench. Other shooters will be shooting on that Bench as well, and the other four benches on that Rotation.

I will say it like it is. If you are assigned to a Flag Rotation at a National Event, and you still insist on setting your own flags, you are the text book definition of rude.

I mentioned a prominant shooter who used to do this at National Events before he died. The general consensus.......he was a ass hole.
 
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jackie schmidt said:
It's not his Bench. Other shooters will be shooting on that Bench as well, and the other four benches on that Rotation.

I will say it like it is. If you are assigned to a Flag Rotation at a National Event, and you still insist on setting your own flags, you are the definition of rude.

I mentioned a prominant shooter who used to do this at National Events before he died. The general consensus.......he was a ass hole.
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Jackie, while I and see your point, why should any person, assigned to a bench/rotation be expected to shoot over unfamiliar flag type/placement at a National Championship event? :confused:

If the NBRSA/IBS should pass such rules, then I believe that the organization(s) must, then, select/designate THE official flag, and provide all flags for the National Championship events. Even then, the placement may not be acceptable/favorable to individual competitors . . . this could lead to a proverbial, "can-of-worms": requiring NBRSA/IBS Official flag type AND placement, at all registered events, or, at least an official placement "map", so that every individual could/should be able to duplicate it for practice! ;) Then, who would get all of the flag business?:p:confused:

I do agree, that individuals who cannot come to a fair, objective agreement are questionable sportsmen. The referees determine unsportsmanlike behavior. RG
 
Im with jackie and ive seen POS flags laying on the ground too when the rotation sponsor discovered them. Best thing to do is get on a reliable flag rotation or just suck it up and know next time. This was done to keep the clutter down- setting a plethera of oddball flags out on each lane is selfish and rude. Trust me you dont wanna be that guy. Youll be talked about long after your gone
 
Randy, I have to respectfully disagree. You know up front when you decide to go to a National Event that there will be Flag Rotations, an unless you happen to be on a Rotation by request, you will be assigned to a Rotation, and will be expected to follow the common courtesy of using the flags that Rotation has set out.

Those that sponsor a Rotation go to tremendous effort, and often times cost, to organize this so as to avoid the clutter, and to insure that the Rotation has the same type of flag in front of each bench.

When I proposed to Mike Guilliot that I would make up enough flags to satisfy a complete five Bench Rotation, the flags would be a single vane design much like I am used to shooting over. But, since he later informed me that he already had the Flag Rotations taken care of, I decided to simply request being on a Rotation and shoot off what ever that Rotations Sponsor sets.

Yes, I would much rather shoot over a flag that I am used too. But I know the circumstances, and will follow the rules of simple courtesy.
 
Dusty Stevens said:
Im with jackie and ive seen POS flags laying on the ground too when the rotation sponsor discovered them. Best thing to do is get on a reliable flag rotation or just suck it up and know next time. This was done to keep the clutter down- setting a plethera of oddball flags out on each lane is selfish and rude. Trust me you dont wanna be that guy. Youll be talked about long after your gone
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Dusty, but then, we'd have to define clutter - to me clutter is anything in the optics field-of-view!:eek: With a 6x Scope, that's a LOT of clutter! :p

While I get the point, I do not like more rules. You probably need to attend the NBRSA Score nationals to observe that this issue is of little concern. The competitors, though "red-headed step children", are mostly civil and respectful of one another. ;) RG
 
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