Exporting from the U.S. ?

ITAR and export

Lynn said:
Dennis
If you ever get the chance to visit The United States visit a Post Office.They have export forms sitting on the shelf and you fill them out and attach them to your package.
If you want to send loaded ammunition,firearms or nuclear reactor parts to Iran they look down upon that immediately.If you want to send a cartridge case to England they say nothing at all.
We cannot send Loaded Ammunition,Primers or Powder to anyone in The United States from within The United States right now as an individual.If I wanted to send Primers from Texas to Oklahoma as a individual it cannot be done.I can however take the primers to a gunshop and pay them to ship them for me.None of this can go through the Postal Service at all and to ship with UPS you need to complete an exam.
A business such as Cabelas or Midway can send through the postal service but a individual can not.
A barrel blank,bullets or cases can be sent out without any worries on our end.It is the receiving country such as Canada that is the fly in the ointment.
Waterboy
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Barrel blanks, bullets and cases have to be exported from USA through a registered exporter. Category I is for weapons and components of weapons under 50 caliber. Complete weapons, receivers, barrels are considered SME even though under 50 cal. Category III refers you to Category I and Category II. If the components (brass, bullets) are for items under category I or II they then require an export permit.

Just because the Post Office delivers a package or accepts a package to ship does not make it legal. The wording in the ITAR is quite clear. Firearms parts and ammumition and ammo parts require exporting.

I have unfortunately been involved with the ITAR regs for over 15 years and have had to learn them them in detail.
 
Thanks Jim. It is my experience that dealers in Canada and the US are quite knowledgeable about the export restrictions while many individuals in both our countries are ignorantly blissful. ;)
 
Exporting from the U.S.?

Dennis, not to nit-pick, but shouln't your comment read blissfully ignorant?

Seriously, this has been beaten to death on other sites and those who care, take time to determine applicable regs and follow them. Illegal importing effects us all.

Kindly,

Peter
 
oops... :eek:
I kind of phrased that backwards...

I should have stated 'blissfully ignorant'... maybe not so blissfully though... ;)
 
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Jim,Peter and Dennis
One of you manufactures weapons and the other two don't even live in The United States.
A Canadian is in the U.S. trying to cross the border with ammunition and you can't figure out why his ammo was seized? Ask anybody from Mexico about going to Texas buying ammo and trying to get back into Mexico.
If you look at the quote by Dennis in his post above the Preamble spells it out very clearly for you.
Now here is a tough one.Go to the 3rd paragraph and read the first sentence paying close attention to the 4th word.
As they say in Georgetown "The Rules Are Different Here".

I have read everything that has been posted several times and I think it best to say a phone call would be best for anyone wanting to send there hunting buddy 50 pieces of brass internationaly.It would end all doubt.

If I might I would like to ask a question of you all.Can a Manufacturer send Alcohol to another country without an export license and a quick follow up, can a individual send grandma a bottle or do they require a license for that as well?
Waterboy

Jim Borden
Here it is straV. EXEMPTIONS
A. LICENSING EXEMPTIONS: The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the
transfers of firearms and ammunition. Please read the complete applicable section of the ITAR:
• 123.17(b) Obsolete firearms and models -Non-automatic firearms that were
manufactured on or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms, are exempt.
• 123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use -U.S.
persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not
more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided this is for the person's exclusive
use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on
hunting trips or sporting events).
• 123.17(a) Minor components -Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or
complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.
• 123.18 Firearms for personal use for members of the U.S. armed forces and
civilian employees of the U.S. Government -Non-automatic firearms may be
exported for personal use and not for resale or transfer of ownership if the firearms
are accompanied by written authorization from the commanding officer or Chief of
the U.S. Diplomatic Mission.
7ight from The State Department.
 
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Exporting from the U.S.?

Canadians are being nailed for brass. Others for bullets.
It is illegal for the nth time.
 
Peter
For the nTH time we are not specificaly talking about Canada we are talking about exporting components to friendly countries and what is required.
Waterboy

Peter

V. EXEMPTIONS
A. LICENSING EXEMPTIONS: The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the
transfers of firearms and ammunition. Please read the complete applicable section of the ITAR:
• 123.17(b) Obsolete firearms and models -Non-automatic firearms that were
manufactured on or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms, are exempt.
• 123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use -U.S.
persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not
more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided this is for the person's exclusive
use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on
hunting trips or sporting events).
• 123.17(a) Minor components -Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or
complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.
• 123.18 Firearms for personal use for members of the U.S. armed forces and
civilian employees of the U.S. Government -Non-automatic firearms may be
exported for personal use and not for resale or transfer of ownership if the firearms
are accompanied by written authorization from the commanding officer or Chief of
the U.S. Diplomatic Mission.
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Export

The export laws on firearms pertain to everyone-manufacturer or not Lynn.

That is why it falls under the item of arms trade.

Barrels, receivers full weapons are all SME and require export permits with a DSP83 disclosure. The items and the non-SME items are regulated as each manufacturer must be registered with State Department (even the ones that do not require an ffl).

A private US individual can not transfer an item that falls under ITAR to a private individual in another country.

Call the State Department-they can help you with these rules.
been there-done that.

I would not get into this, but I do not want to see someone get into trouble by following advice outside the regulations.
 
Exporting fro the U.S.?

Jim, my sentiments exactly and I have just reread applicable ITAR section which is clear and as stated here.
I consider the shooting community as one worldwide. I have helped host the Scottish Rifle to Canada and the first U.S.Fullbore team to shoot at our Bedford Range for the Mini-Palma and we had a great time. We sponsor Benchrest, 1000 yard BR, Biathlon, Fullbore, Smallbore, FClass and Precision Rifle as examples.

One of this weeks projects is getting the U.S. Olympic Biathlon Team their ammo, which is due from Lapua Germany. Last month it was the Aussie team and the manager, Toni, sounds awesome(off track).

Another project this week is importing biathlon rifles from Norway for local Provincial shooters.

A motto would be "support all shooters and shooting disciplines." We must help each worldwide and we practise this.

Regards,

Peter Dobson
Hirsch Precision Inc.
 
Jim
SAMPLE LETTER FOR ONE-TIME EXEMPTION FOR PERMANENT EXPORT

Ms. Jane Doe

1234 Fairway Lane

Arlington, VA 56789

Director

Office of Defense Trade Controls Licensing

Directorate of Defense Trade Controls

U.S. Department of State

SA-1, 13th Floor

2401 E. Street, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20522

Dear Director:

I am seeking a one-time exemption to the registration requirements of the International Traffic in Arms

Regulations (ITAR) for a permanent export license. I certify that I am not in the business of either

manufacturing or exporting defense articles, related technical data, or furnishing defense services as

defined in the ITAR. I also am not in the business of brokering in accordance with ITAR Part 129. My

proposed export is a one-time requirement [give reason - e.g., gift giving, etc.] for the use of [state

end-user and intended end-use - e.g., collection, target shooting, hunting].

My proposed export is the following:

Type of Firearm: (i.e., handgun, revolver, rifle)

Caliber:

Quantity:

Dollar Value:

Manufacturer:

Make/Model:

[NOTE: If the firearm(s) will be a gift to the end-user, the application must include a letter from the

end-user acknowledging that he/she will be receiving the firearm(s) and identifying the end-use(s).]
Sincerely,

(Signature)
 
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Exporting from the U.S.?

These rules are American. Canada does not dictate U.S foreign policy. Conversely, as the U.S.'s largest trading partner, we have made obligations to the U.S. such as end user certificates which are part of the IIC (International Import Certificate) and this is to be compliant with policy of the United States State Department.

Regards,

Peter
 
I hate to jump back into this discussion because I think we are mixing a lot of different rules, laws, and regulations and individual interpretations of same, and trying to find a simple answer when none exists.

For my own part, I was simply asking why I cannot trade an inert 30-06 case with my fellow collector in Saskatoon? We were able to do this, through USPS and Canada Post up until about 3 years ago. That's when Canada Post revised it's regulations regarding "inert munitions" and things haven't been the same since. AFAIK, nothing else was changed. I still regularly trade with other collectors, all over the world. It's only between USA and Canada where there is a problem.

Ray
 
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Peter
The intent of the state department is to keep bad people from easily aquiring firearms and ammunition by simply mail ordering it from abroad.They are not interested in a bag of 257 roberts brass going to your favorite hunting buddy.

In the various countries you have manufacturers and businessmen who don't want joe sixpack sending his buddy cartridge cases because it cuts into their profit margins.In 2011 we won't be able to buy components inside of California from other states because of this very same greed.

You also have tariffs and fees imposed on the various imports as everybody wants there piece of the pie.

With the advent of 9-11 and people wearing explosives in there underwear on airplanes do you tryuly think it would be considered prudent to allow 10 guys flying into the country with specialised equipment without advanced notice?

This truly isn't rocket science we are talking about here just common sense.

Ask Jim Borden if he can sell rifles to anyplace inside the U.S. other than his home state without paperwork.I bought one of his actions last year and it cost me $80 just for the paperwork and a 2 week wait before I could take it home from a licensed manufacturer to a licensed dealer and I live here.
Your post is only addressing what everybody who actually lives here already knows and has known for years about firearms and loaded ammunition.

I have hunted and shot outside of this country on many occasions and not once did I not do a pile of paperwork and background checks and I already have a current security clearance on file with the department of defense.

The question is can Joe Sixpack send someone a box of brass in a foriegn country where it isn't illegal to have it?
I have sent the question out to the state department and will post the answer here even if I am wearing egg on my face when I do it.
Lynn

Here aV. EXEMPTIONS
A. LICENSING EXEMPTIONS: The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the
transfers of firearms and ammunition. Please read the complete applicable section of the ITAR:
• 123.17(b) Obsolete firearms and models -Non-automatic firearms that were
manufactured on or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms, are exempt.
• 123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use -U.S.
persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not
more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided this is for the person's exclusive
use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on
hunting trips or sporting events).
• 123.17(a) Minor components -Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or
complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.
• 123.18 Firearms for personal use for members of the U.S. armed forces and
civilian employees of the U.S. Government -Non-automatic firearms may be
exported for personal use and not for resale or transfer of ownership if the firearms
are accompanied by written authorization from the commanding officer or Chief of
the U.S. Diplomatic Mission.
7re the american rules.
 
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Cheechako
I mailed bullets into Canada last year were they were opened upon arrival,inspected by customs and sent on to the end user.If a bill was found in the box they would have been confiscated.
Lynn


V. EXEMPTIONS
A. LICENSING EXEMPTIONS: The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the
transfers of firearms and ammunition. Please read the complete applicable section of the ITAR:
• 123.17(b) Obsolete firearms and models -Non-automatic firearms that were
manufactured on or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms, are exempt.
• 123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use -U.S.
persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not
more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided this is for the person's exclusive
use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on
hunting trips or sporting events).
• 123.17(a) Minor components -Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or
complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.
• 123.18 Firearms for personal use for members of the U.S. armed forces and
civilian employees of the U.S. Government -Non-automatic firearms may be
exported for personal use and not for resale or transfer of ownership if the firearms
are accompanied by written authorization from the commanding officer or Chief of
the U.S. Diplomatic Mission.
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Ammunition

Lynn
Category III of the ITAR addresses ammunition and components and anything that is ammo or components for anything in Category I or II has to be exported.

Jim
 
Jim
Categories I and II are not meant to be aimed(no pun intended) at the general public.They use the term individual in their verbiage only because most of stuff they deal with can only be sold to a government entity and if Smokey the Dirt Farmer comes up with something significant they want to be able to take advantage of the opportunity.
In the Electronics industry it is common place to discover something while working for $25 an hour then leave your employer and strike out on your own.ITAR is not interested in hunters and sport shooting but rather than argue what constitutes Significant Military Equipment I will wait for the e-mail reply from the state department.
You by the way or considered a SME.
Lynn

V. EXEMPTIONS
A. LICENSING EXEMPTIONS: The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the
transfers of firearms and ammunition. Please read the complete applicable section of the ITAR:
• 123.17(b) Obsolete firearms and models -Non-automatic firearms that were
manufactured on or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms, are exempt.
• 123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use -U.S.
persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not
more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided this is for the person's exclusive
use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on
hunting trips or sporting events).
• 123.17(a) Minor components -Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or
complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.
• 123.18 Firearms for personal use for members of the U.S. armed forces and
civilian employees of the U.S. Government -Non-automatic firearms may be
exported for personal use and not for resale or transfer of ownership if the firearms
are accompanied by written authorization from the commanding officer or Chief of
the U.S. Diplomatic Mission.
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Aiming :)

Lynn

I guess we probably disagree. They are aiming at the hunter and shooter. Otherwise they would not be making those of us making sporting arms or sporting arms parts (such as magazine boxes for bolt action hunting rifles) register with State Department and do all the export paperwork for even small things like trigger guards and scope bases.

Some of the recent activity in the UN indicates that a lot of these maneuvers are pointed directly at normal citizens.

Jim
 

I mailed bullets into Canada last year were they were opened upon arrival,inspected by customs and sent on to the end user.If a bill was found in the box they would have been confiscated.


Actually once it is in Canada; if a bill was found in the box the person receiving the parcel simply would have been charged duty and sales tax.

The shipment would have been confiscated and you may have been charged if the US authorities had opened it on it's way to Canada.
 
Dennis
According to Peters and Your earlier Posts and Links the person in Canada should have been asked for his import license and appropriate paperwork.:rolleyes:
Waterboy

V. EXEMPTIONS
A. LICENSING EXEMPTIONS: The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the
transfers of firearms and ammunition. Please read the complete applicable section of the ITAR:
• 123.17(b) Obsolete firearms and models -Non-automatic firearms that were
manufactured on or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms, are exempt.
• 123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use -U.S.
persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not
more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided this is for the person's exclusive
use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on
hunting trips or sporting events).
• 123.17(a) Minor components -Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or
complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.
• 123.18 Firearms for personal use for members of the U.S. armed forces and
civilian employees of the U.S. Government -Non-automatic firearms may be
exported for personal use and not for resale or transfer of ownership if the firearms
are accompanied by written authorization from the commanding officer or Chief of
the U.S. Diplomatic Mission.
7t.
 
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Cheechako said:
I hate to jump back into this discussion because I think we are mixing a lot of different rules, laws, and regulations and individual interpretations of same, and trying to find a simple answer when none exists.

For my own part, I was simply asking why I cannot trade an inert 30-06 case with my fellow collector in Saskatoon? We were able to do this, through USPS and Canada Post up until about 3 years ago. That's when Canada Post revised it's regulations regarding "inert munitions" and things haven't been the same since. AFAIK, nothing else was changed. I still regularly trade with other collectors, all over the world. It's only between USA and Canada where there is a problem.

Ray
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I still have not received and answer from the Canadian authorities on inert munitions but I do believe they do not accept 'inert munitions' in the mail as they have no way of determining if they are indeed 'inert'. I do know that unprimed brass and unloaded bullets are perfectly legal in the mail. I will post more on Canada's policy and 'inert munitions' when I receive it.

The simple fact today and it has been in effect for a few years now, is the US has created restrictive export laws with firearms, ammunition, components, etc.... a huge list of items that require export licenses whether you are a business or Joe the plumber.

You may think it is only a problem with Canada (and it may have been in the past) but 'Inert Munitions' today are considered components in this U.S. legislation regardless of the Country they are sent to. Keep sending them at your peril.

Ammunition and firearms may have been mentioned because gun parts and components fall into the same category requiring export paperwork.

Lynn, I don't know if it will be egg on your face, it might be a whole pie.:)
 
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