Exporting bullets and brass
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Cheechako
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Bryan
I believe Midway has the necessary licenses. Whether they deal with customers in SA is something that you'd have to ask them directly. There are some countries where it simply is not worth it.
Ray
I believe Midway has the necessary licenses. Whether they deal with customers in SA is something that you'd have to ask them directly. There are some countries where it simply is not worth it.
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Big Man
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I believe the bullet manufacturer now needs an export licence, not just the retailer....whether it's true or not, I don't know....
Always a hassle getting the quality consumables out of the US.... so many new and ever changing regulations..... Try Jerry Crossett @ Action International, he specialises in exporting.
Action International
18609 Santa Ramona
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
Jerry Crossett phone: 714-968-3993 email: jcros18609@aol.com
Hope this helps!
Regards
If the bullet
manufacturer is not registered with the state dept and the DSP5 is filled out with their manufacterer name, it will not be approved.
Example.
Joes Bullets not registered.
DSP5 item says 20000 68 grain Joes Bullets
Wont work.
If the exporter is a manufacturer such as we are, then the way it works the easiest is for Joes Bullets to make bullets for the exporters company name and label as such. Then the DSP5 is filled out as:
20000 68 grain SPF bullets.
That will work.
Get ready for lots of turn backs from the State Dept also. They went to a new system that does not allow them to fix any small errors on the DSP5 form. Also, it cost approx $250 per license to apply for export. Now they are also following the rules to the letter, so best bet is to get the customer to give you a DSP83 also.
Maybe this helps.
manufacturer is not registered with the state dept and the DSP5 is filled out with their manufacterer name, it will not be approved.
Example.
Joes Bullets not registered.
DSP5 item says 20000 68 grain Joes Bullets
Wont work.
If the exporter is a manufacturer such as we are, then the way it works the easiest is for Joes Bullets to make bullets for the exporters company name and label as such. Then the DSP5 is filled out as:
20000 68 grain SPF bullets.
That will work.
Get ready for lots of turn backs from the State Dept also. They went to a new system that does not allow them to fix any small errors on the DSP5 form. Also, it cost approx $250 per license to apply for export. Now they are also following the rules to the letter, so best bet is to get the customer to give you a DSP83 also.
Maybe this helps.
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GTM
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brass
There is a company in S. Africa named PMP (Pretoria metals processing) that makes brass cases. Don't know their quality or quantity available. Maybe they can supply them.
There is a company in S. Africa named PMP (Pretoria metals processing) that makes brass cases. Don't know their quality or quantity available. Maybe they can supply them.
R. G. Robinett
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Jerry's correct - here's a link . . .
The registration fee is now $1750 per year or, you can get the Uncle Sugar bargain - TWO years for only $3500!
Check here for the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls http://www.pmddtc.state.gov
RG
The registration fee is now $1750 per year or, you can get the Uncle Sugar bargain - TWO years for only $3500!
Check here for the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls http://www.pmddtc.state.govRG
R. G. Robinett
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Jerry, I think you're talking about the EXPORT License - that's what the Exporter must have to obtain a permit. Under the most recent "ruling", unless the maker of the goods is "registered" with the DOF, as an arms/ammo Mfgr. (read the FINE print folks, this is really insidious stuff - see the above link) , export permits will no longer be issued [to licensed exporters] for said stuff. In my case, the State Dept. will no longer issue export permits: I have no intention of paying the extortion fee, to become included on what amounts to an "approved vendors list". When the State Dept. person contacted me, he was very helpful and interested in my view, but he couldn't change the new "enforcement" practices. The $1750 per year for registration is IN addition to all the other taxes/penalties, a.k.a. licenses/permits.
RG
bryan
Bryan Armatys
Jerry and Randy
Hey guys, I know the licensing is a rape job by the Government, and they have their reasons etc.etc. but these guys are world class competitors and really need this stuff. There has to be somebody that can get it to them.
They are mumbling things like "WHO do I have to sleep with to get these components?"
Any shur-fire way to get it done?
Thanks
Bryan
Hey guys, I know the licensing is a rape job by the Government, and they have their reasons etc.etc. but these guys are world class competitors and really need this stuff. There has to be somebody that can get it to them.
They are mumbling things like "WHO do I have to sleep with to get these components?"
Any shur-fire way to get it done?
Thanks
Bryan
IanRobertson
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I hate to say...
It's obvious isn't it? Find a supplier other than in the USA. These are USA problems, the rest of the world is still okay.
It's obvious isn't it? Find a supplier other than in the USA. These are USA problems, the rest of the world is still okay.
Randy
you may be right about the registration fee, but if you hit your link, the registration tab and then the fee tab it has the numbers I stated in my post. That is what I paid also. My understanding is that as a manufacturer it is really not an option to not register and still be within our countries ITAR laws and regulations. I read them pretty carefully and it says that if you manufacture any item on the ITAR list, you must register with the state dept whether you export or not. Bullets, guns etc are definately on the ITAR list. I also have heard the when renewing a type 7 (manf) FFL, most agents are checking on your registration and not issuing it if not registered. I am not sure what the penalty is for not registering, but my guess is it may be a fine and or prison time. The feds seem pretty serious about this anymore.
you may be right about the registration fee, but if you hit your link, the registration tab and then the fee tab it has the numbers I stated in my post. That is what I paid also. My understanding is that as a manufacturer it is really not an option to not register and still be within our countries ITAR laws and regulations. I read them pretty carefully and it says that if you manufacture any item on the ITAR list, you must register with the state dept whether you export or not. Bullets, guns etc are definately on the ITAR list. I also have heard the when renewing a type 7 (manf) FFL, most agents are checking on your registration and not issuing it if not registered. I am not sure what the penalty is for not registering, but my guess is it may be a fine and or prison time. The feds seem pretty serious about this anymore.
Bryan
I guess it depends on how bad they need them. Find a licensed exporter and pay the fees. With all the time it takes to get the license and pack and send the goods I wouldnt even touch it for less then a $500 fee. SA can also be a pain to get them to. US post office may be the best thing to go there.
I guess it depends on how bad they need them. Find a licensed exporter and pay the fees. With all the time it takes to get the license and pack and send the goods I wouldnt even touch it for less then a $500 fee. SA can also be a pain to get them to. US post office may be the best thing to go there.
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CHRIS.T
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And as a nobody located in Australia,I thank the people who are willing to go to the trouble of answering the E-mails,taking the time to package and send some of the stuff you have for sale to another country,wait for postal money order's.
I have dealt with some fine people on this board and others like it,if I couldn't purchase certain item's this way I would have to do without.
Regards Chris.
I have dealt with some fine people on this board and others like it,if I couldn't purchase certain item's this way I would have to do without.
Regards Chris.
Lynn,
what you are suggesting is violating federal laws regarding the ITAR. It doesnt just apply to manufacturers, but every US citizen and has nothing to do with money changing hands. ITAR stands for International Traffic in Arms Regulations, a group of rules for our national security. Why in the world someone in the US would want to violate these laws to send somebody in another country controlled items I dont understand, especially when there is a correct way to do this. I agree this is just bullets and would most likely be approved, but these laws are here for our national safety in general. There are all kinds of ways to ship things and get them there under false pretense I am sure. Doing what you suggest is not much different then smuggling out drugs or anything else we arent supposed to do.
Quote "You should have a friend of theres over here buy the bullets and brass and send them to them as gifts.The problem here is a manufacturer exporting a product.If a friend wants to send a gift that is totaly different as no money has changed hands."
what you are suggesting is violating federal laws regarding the ITAR. It doesnt just apply to manufacturers, but every US citizen and has nothing to do with money changing hands. ITAR stands for International Traffic in Arms Regulations, a group of rules for our national security. Why in the world someone in the US would want to violate these laws to send somebody in another country controlled items I dont understand, especially when there is a correct way to do this. I agree this is just bullets and would most likely be approved, but these laws are here for our national safety in general. There are all kinds of ways to ship things and get them there under false pretense I am sure. Doing what you suggest is not much different then smuggling out drugs or anything else we arent supposed to do.
Quote "You should have a friend of theres over here buy the bullets and brass and send them to them as gifts.The problem here is a manufacturer exporting a product.If a friend wants to send a gift that is totaly different as no money has changed hands."
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Lynn, with my current
ties to the defense industry, clearances etc, I probably wont be heading to SA soon. I always chose for my self and my advice to others to be conservative when testing federal law which is always up to interpretation. Hopefully the customer will get what he wants and no one here will be in hot water.
ties to the defense industry, clearances etc, I probably wont be heading to SA soon. I always chose for my self and my advice to others to be conservative when testing federal law which is always up to interpretation. Hopefully the customer will get what he wants and no one here will be in hot water.