Do sleeved Rem 700's win many matches these days ?

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Hammer1

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Back when I visited many benchrest competitions, sleeved Remington 700 actions were used by lots of competitors and they frequently won.

Do the sleeved 700's still win a lot of matches ?

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Although they have some capability to win, none of the top shooters use them. Therefore the answer to your question is no. Good shooting. James
 
The one exception to this is 1,000 Benchrest. With so many barrel blocked rifles, one of the factory "weaknesses" is accounted for. But I would say that over the 16 years I've been shooting 1,000 yard benchrest, the number of custom actions has grown considerably. One reason, perhaps, is the increasing popularity of chamberings like the 6mm Dasher. Shooting fast in 1K BR is at least as important as in point-blank BR, and with a mild chambering, the dual-port actions let you run your group a bit faster & more smoothly.

FWIW
 
Hammer,

Slick = Speed............ Not always speed wins............But!

Plenty of well built Sleeved Rem actions WILL shoot right with a custom action...
Even cone bolt equipt mods or replacement bolts (PTG Kiff bolt) "can be" darn near as "fast" as a custom.
But typically still "lagging" behind a true custom... I know, my first BR gun was a WELL built Sleeved XP100.
It shoots..! Just is, I can out AGG it EVERYTIME against any of my customs.
Another point is.... Speed is not always running all 5 shots down range on the record, mostly it's about getting the One, Two, Three, Four shots off NOW when it needs to be..! The customs give you the capability.:)

cale
 
I believe cost is the real reason. To build a sleeved receiver equal to a custom could cost as much or more than a custom. I do believe they will shoot as well as a custom if done right, but why do it?
I just happen to have a sleeved dual port Remington with a custom cone PPC bolt face bolt HV rifle for $1100 shipped if you want to try that route.
Butch
 
As it has been said, a properly prepared Remington will shoot just as accurate as a custom, if that term is described by the ability to shoot small groups.

But Competitive Benchrest has evolved over the years. Agging capability is the all important factor, that being described as a "combinations" ability to lay down groups over an entire aggragate that when averaged, will be the winning formula.

Often that has nothing to do with shooting extremely small groups. More times than not it has to do with not shooting any overly large groups.

When I first started shooting Benchrest, the trend was still to hunt and pick conditions. As time passed, more and more shooters started to adopt the style that is predicated on waiting untill a steady light condition appears, and then get five shots down range. Most top shooters have the ability to watch and if there are slight increases in the condition, they can hold accordingly. This takes a lot of skill, and the utmost confidence in ones equipment.

Simply put, with the advent of precisionly smooth customs, the Remingtons simply cannot keep up.
 
Lee Euber still uses a sleeved Rem and does very well in score comps, but I don't think it was put together yesterday. Go with a custom and don't look back unless a great deal comes up and the gun is a proven winner.
Mike
 
Score is different than group. Since you are compelled to move the Rifle to different aim points, it is difficult to rack those five shots down range in less than 20 seconds. Hence, speed is not as big of a factor.

Also, in score, since you actually have to hit a specific spot on the target, and that does cause one to take pause.
 
I think its fair to say that many of the sleeved remingtons seen today are not very new. Most were built 20 or more years ago.
As such custom actions were not as common as today. Those sleeved remingtons, often lacked the refine methods
that would be used today, like truing. It was more a thing done to make them more ridgid and add bedding surface.
The only reason to go this route today would be shoestring budget and that in itself is questionable. Done well, I
see little reason that they aren't competitive.
 
Charles again you hit it right on the head Firing pin system and the right spring have a lot to do with the way the Remingtons perform I own several 721's and have won many matches with them, it all depends if they were trued right to start with. In fact the one I used at the Reade Range in 300 wsm shot 6.7 inch agg. and that was 20 shots. So if you have a Rem. that shoots, keep it. But I wouldn't trade my BAT. for ten of them.

Joe Salt
 
yep.. me thinks the qualifier "many" is the hiccup in the question....
there are not MANY in compeitition, but i would guess they are capable in most situtations....run and gun not being one of them....

mike in co
 
Hammer1 said:
Back when I visited many benchrest competitions, sleeved Remington 700 actions were used by lots of competitors
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This must have been a while ago when you came and visited. I have been shooting for 25 years and sleeved Remingtons have been a small group since I have been shooting. In 25 years of typing equipment lists the only one I ever remember typing in is Lee Eubers which he still shoots and wins with.

On a related subject Eddie and Sara Harren shoot unsleeved Remingtons in VH class and frequently beat many and sometimes most of the VFS shooters. So a Rem. does not even necessarily even need to be sleeved to really shoot well.
 
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Maybe I should dust off a few and shoot them , Just for fun Bet they are good in Varmint for score.
Lets see ''' wheres that 308 ? ouch!!!!!
 
Gerry,
you've got more bench guns than China's got American jobs. We still have to try those Sierra jacket/ Clarence Detsch die .22 bullets I made in one of your .222's. We'll have go to CCC and see who wants to pull/paste targets for our little experiment? " hold that cigarette pack a little steadier, would you fellas ? " Naw,we don't need no wind flags, not much goin on down there"."Not enough to make a difference"" JUST QUIT WIGGLIN' AROUND SO MUCH !
 
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