Bullet drop & scope range

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DaleS

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I just put a 6.5x284 barrel on my benchrest rifle. I am using 51gr 4831sc and SMK 142gr.
I will be shooting a 1000yd match but my home range is only 200yd.
My question is how high should my point of impact be at 200yds to know I have enough scope
adjustment to hit at 1000yds.?

Thanks Dale
 
Dale
If your dead on at 200 yards you'll need 24 to 25 inches of up again at 200 yards to be on at 1000 yards.With 1/8 moa clicks go up 200 clicks and your all set.With 1/4 moa clicks go up 100 clicks and your all set.
Waterboy
 
Dale,

I'm sure Lynn meant 24-25 moa, not inches (at 200) from a 200 yd zero,

Greg
 
At 2950fps, 75 degrees, sea level, from a 200yd zero you need to come up to be 50"-52" high; or be 25-26" high at 100yds.
 
Alinwa
There isn't anything to explain.
If you sight your gun in at 200 yards and then put in 25 inches or 200 clicks you'll be on target at 1,000 yards.
Likewise if you sight your gun in at 200 yards then put in 25 moa you'll still be on at 1,000 yards.There isn't enough difference between inches and minute of angle to make any difference.One way is 253.5 inches and the other way is 24.2 moa and on a 42 inch target that don't mean squat.
Waterboy
 
He needs to be about 50" high at 200 yards.

If he's only 25" high at 200 yards, he'll be off the paper at 1000 yards (too low) as 25" high at 200 yards is roughly only 12.5 MOA up. He asked how high his point of impact needed to be at 200 yards.

As far as I know scope adjustments are in MOA

With that exact load in a 6.5x284 at 1000 yards, my come up off a 100 yard zero was 24 MOA and my point of impact sat a little higher than 25" high at 100 yards (which is about 50" or so high at 200 yards).

Robert Whitley
 
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See below - 50" high at 200 yards will get you where you need to be (actually 50.7" according to the chart below).



Trajectory
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.600 G1 Caliber: 0.264 in
Bullet Weight: 142.0 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 2950.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 15.0 ft
Sight Height: 2.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 29.467 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 376 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 321 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 182 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 1791.3 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.291 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop
Lead Lead
(yd) (in)
0 -2.5
100 26.3
200 50.7
300 70.0
400 83.8
500 91.3
600 91.6
700 83.9
800 66.9
900 39.5
1000 -0.0
 
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The standard symbol for marking the arcminute is the prime (′) (U+2032), though a single quote (') (U+0027) is commonly used where only ASCII characters are permitted. One arcminute is thus written 1′. It is also abbreviated as arcmin or amin or, less commonly, the prime with a circumflex over it ().

The subdivision of the minute of arc is the second of arc, or arcsecond. There are 60 arcseconds in an arcminute. Therefore, the arcsecond is 1/3600 of a degree, or 1/1296000 of a circle, or (π/648000) radians, which is approximately 1/206265 radian. The symbol for the arcsecond is the double prime (") (U+2033). To express even smaller angles, standard SI prefixes can be employed; in particular, the milliarcsecond, abbreviated mas, is sometimes used in astronomy.

The sexagesimal system of angular measurement unit value symbol abbreviations in radians (approx.)
degree 1/360 circle ° deg 17.4532925 mrad
arcminute 1/60 degree ′ (prime) arcmin, amin, , MOA 290.8882087 µrad
arcsecond 1/60 arcminute ″ (double prime) arcsec 4.8481368 µrad
milliarcsecond 1/1000 arcsecond mas 4.8481368 nrad
microarcsecond 1 × 10−6 arcsecond μas 4.8481368 prad

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[edit] Firearms
The arcminute is commonly found in the firearms industry and literature, particularly that concerning the accuracy of rifles, though the industry tends to refer to it as minute of angle. It is popular because 1 MOA subtends approximately one inch at 100 yards, a traditional distance on target ranges. A shooter can easily readjust their rifle scope by measuring the distance in inches the bullet hole is from the desired impact point, and adjusting the scope that many MOA in the same direction. Most target scopes designed for long distances are adjustable in quarter (¼) or eighth (⅛) MOA "clicks". One eighth MOA is equal to approximately an eighth of an inch at 100 yards or one inch at 800 yards.

Calculating the physical equivalent group size equal to one minute of arc can be done using the equation: equivalent group size = tan(MOA/60) × distance. In the example previously given and substituting 3600 inches for 100 yards, 3600 tan(1 MOA/60) inches = 1.047 inche


Dale S
I apologise for what is happening to this forum as of late.The Supermoderators must have abandoned us but I see Robert Whitley has edited his posts.
If your range is 200 yards you can sight your rifle dead on at 200 yards.To find out if your scope will work at 1,000 yards see if it will go up 200 clicks if it has 1/8 minute clicks in it.If it has 1/4 minute clicks in it see if you have 100 clicks up.
As you can see from the Wikipedia post I included the difference between inches and minute of angle is not worth worrying about.
If your dead on at 100 yards your bullet at the sacramento range will be about 275 inches low.If your dead on at 200 yards your bullet will be about 263 inches low or a difference of about 1.4 minute of angle.
Again once your all dialed straight on at 200 yards let us know how many clicks you have left.
Lynn
 
Lynn,
I think what these peeps are trying to say is that 25" up at 100 yards and 25" up at 200 yards is definitely not the same thing. Your first post said inches, but you're making reference to moa. I think his point of aim needs to be quite a bit lower at 200 yards.\

Inches and moa are not different enough to care about at 100 yards. But at 200 they are quite different.
 
0 -1.5 *** 0.0
100 1.5 1.4
200 -0.0 -0.0
300 -6.5 -2.1
400 -18.7 -4.5
500 -37.2 -7.1
600 -63.1 -10.0
700 -97.3 -13.3
800 -141.1 -16.8
900 -196.1 -20.8
1000 -263.9 -25.2
4Mesh This is the 200 yard zero data in inches and MOA.I rarely shoot 200 yards anymore but as was posted earlier if the distance is doubled the moa is halved
Waterboy
 
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Lynn,
his question asks the answers for x.x and y.y in THIS scenario. He wants to shoot at his 1K zero, Solve for x.x@ 200yards
100 +x.x +y.y
200 +x.x +y.y
300 +x.x +y.y
400 +x.x +y.y
500 +x.x +y.y
600 +x.x +y.y
700 +x.x +y.y
800 +x.x +y.y
900 +x.x +y.y
1000 0.0 -0.0
 
Hey Phil how are ya? Why don't you come down to the range and visit some time, better yet, why don't you come down and shoot a match?
 
Your bc is high for 1000yds. Bryan Litz uses the average bc for 1000yds, which is .588
 
4Mesh
Phil he wanted to know if his scope would make it to 1,000 yards and he only has a 200 yard range.
I may not be communicating it correctly but he can sight his gun in at 200 yards dead on.Now if his scope has 1/4 inch or moa increments in it he needs to see if he has 100 clicks of up left in its elevation.
If his scope has 1/8 inch or moa increments in it he needs to see if he has 200 clicks of up or elevations left in it.
He needs 24-25 inches or moa to be on at 1,000 yards.He can put 100 or 200 clicks into his scope depending on what it says on the turret.
I think any confusion comes from our local range not allowing us to shoot the target frames.We can't put a plumb bob on the ground and a target on the frame so it gets full of holes.
In Dales case the difference between 100 and 200 yards is only 1.4 inches or moa.If he is dead on at 200 yards he can crank in 200 clicks and still be on the target at 1000 yards.
Waterboy
P.S. Some scopes have 1/6 clicks so 150 would be needed in that instance and the Swarovski's are listed in inches not moa.I was using both 2950 fps and 3000 fps and a 0.595 bc number.There was not enough variation to waste bandwidth on.
 
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how high should my point of impact be at 200yds to know I have enough scope
adjustment to hit at 1000yds.?

Thanks Dale

About four feet high at 200 yd will get you on at 1K yd.

Greg
 
Lynn,
What he is trying to do makes a whole lot of sense. And once again, he is shooting at 200 yards, not 100. Yes, the point of impact difference from 100 to 200 is all but meaningless. Yes, He needs ~25moa from either one. BUT... 25moa is not 25" at 200,
He needs 24-25 inches or moa to be on at 1,000 yards
Then too, Zeroing the scope and counting clicks is _not_ the same thing as putting on the elevation and shooting the gun. What he is attempting to do is exactly what I did on all my guns that were shot at 1k. Just cause it clicks up does not mean the scope internals have enough spring pressure left to keep the POI under recoil when the turrets are all the way out. I would much prefer to shoot practice groups at 200 and make certain they are as small as groups shot with the turrets screwed down. If he gets to the range to shoot a match and finds out that the crosshairs are bouncing all over the place, that might make for an expensive wasted day.

As for doing it at 100 yards, yes, that can be done too, but fact is, most 1000 yard guns shoot so small at 100 it's just a waste of bullets. At least I think so.
 
Dale..........As Marion stated, just set your point of impact to be 25" + at 100 yards and go to the match. You will be fine. I have shot this cartridge and combination you are using for almost 10 years.
Rich De
 
4Mesh
I understand what your saying and agree it works.

In my example we sometimes go to the range saturday after work to make sure things are still grouping well.We will shoot groups at 200 yards then go home because the range closes exactly at 5PM due to noise abatement reasons so there is no such thing as 5:10 PM or last minute tuning.

Once home we will bring the scope up 200 clicks 25 moa or 25 inches DEPENDING on what it says on the turret or scope cap.At home the scope doesn't know any better so it simply does as asked and we are always on at 1,000 yards.

Try this experiment for yourself.Shoot your gun dead on at 200 yards so its knocking out the bullseye.Drive home and set the gun up in your cleaning cradle.Remove the elevation turret cover and raise the elevation turret 25 inches 25 moa or 200 clicks if it has 1/8 inch or 1/8 moa clicks in it and let me know if you hit the 1,000 yard target the next day.

Now before you turn purple and blow a vein out the side of your neck remember some of us can't shoot 4 feet over a target as we live in parts of the country that don't allow that kind of thing.You and Greg are luckier than you think as out here you have to qualify to shoot past 200-300 yards depending on the clubs rules.
Waterboy
 
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