argentinian made MANUAL CARTRIDGE FEEDER is NBRSA APPROVED

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pascal

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Carlito Gonzales of Buenos Aires , Argentina , is proud to announce that
his MANUAL CARTIDGE FEEDER has been approved for use in NBRSA registered shoots by the NBRSA board of directors .

casagonzalec@yahoo.com.ar to contact Carlito .
 
I assume this is something that sits on the bench in position to feed your rifle? I would like to see it perform under recoil conditions.
Obviously if it was attached to the gun, the gun would still have to meet weight.

Matt Guthrie
 
Recoil is not problem, because the " MCD"( Manual Cartridge Dispensing) dispense the next cartridge manually when the rifle return to battery.
The "MCD" is not attached to the Rifle.

Carlos
 
I would love to see a youtube video of it while under recoil conditions. Obviously it would not work quite as quickly as it does in the above video and there is some chance in hitting the load button at the wrong time. Don't get me wrong, I think this is real innovation by someone who can look at a rule book and see a way to stay in the rules but outside the box. BRAVO!

Matt Guthrie
 
Matt.

The MCD basically prevents the movement of the shooter"s hand to insert the new cartridge into Action, this save time.
Also, during the MCD drive, the shooter never divert their attention from the Flag conditions, so you can improve your performance. If you are benchrest shooter you know what I am talking about.

Carlos
 
I watched Gene Bukys try out this device at our local range, it does work, but the shooter must maintain the Rifle in an exact position every time during the firing cycle.

Gene has become the two time World Champion, along with many other accomplishments, using his old front rest, and squeezing the rear bag. He had this device attached to a Farley Rest. It will be interesting to see if He thinks it is a worthwhile system to adopt........jackie
 
mike in co said:
David,
rules maybe.....
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But which rules are set in stone? Rules could be changed if someone propose such a change.

I kind of agree with respect to a magazine, what is really the difference except that this device is not directly attached to the rifle - the purpose is obviously the same? What is the reason for not allowing a magazine or clip?
 
HopeToBe said:
But which rules are set in stone? Rules could be changed if someone propose such a change.

I kind of agree with respect to a magazine, what is really the difference except that this device is not directly attached to the rifle - the purpose is obviously the same? What is the reason for not allowing a magazine or clip?
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Nobody suggests this device to be used while trekking for elk of safariiing for bull cape buffalo . not even prairie dogs or backyard squirrels ;nor sniping in remote countries .

the destination is all disciplines of benchrest , in fact a very narrow market of experts who will see the obvious benefit of seconds gained maintaining flags vision and mental focus .

The furthest type of shooter targeted by this product would be the armchair computer shooter , though they would be most welcome to acquire units and shower us with their considerations and knowledge .
 
I am not sure if you misunderstood me or not, but I am not suggesting that this should be brought out for hunting. I am well aware of the benchrest game and the purpose of this device as I have seen it being demonstrated live. And as you say the purpose is to save second, just as one want to do with a magazine or clip hence I can't help wondering what is stopping us from moving in that direction on a general basis? My question is if this is just a long way towards a softning of the rules allowing a normal magazine? What was the reason for not allowing this in the first place back in the days when this was decided?
 
HopeToBe said:
I am not sure if you misunderstood me or not, but I am not suggesting that this should be brought out for hunting. I am well aware of the benchrest game and the purpose of this device as I have seen it being demonstrated live. And as you say the purpose is to save second, just as one want to do with a magazine or clip hence I can't help wondering what is stopping us from moving in that direction on a general basis? My question is if this is just a long way towards a softning of the rules allowing a normal magazine? What was the reason for not allowing this in the first place back in the days when this was decided?
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Sorry , i have been shooting this game 4 years only and though i have very old BR magazines issue my culture doesnt include the roots of the no magazine rule . Being a pilot i am inclined to abide to the rules which i think time saving vs wondering how to mend them .
As a competitor ( posting in the " competition only " forum ) i prefer to talk how to become a winner on topics as mental management , team behavior , wide visual focus for wind reading , maybe load tuning ; i have absolutely no opposition to compete against a magazine fed rifle ,even against a semi or full auto ( i would love to test that when we shoot a 60 knots wind match ) ,but only the 2 gun aggregate convinces me , our coach and my felow competitors .
kind regards
 
pascal said:
Sorry , i have been shooting this game 4 years only and though i have very old BR magazines issue my culture doesnt include the roots of the no magazine rule . Being a pilot i am inclined to abide to the rules which i think time saving vs wondering how to mend them .
As a competitor ( posting in the " competition only " forum ) i prefer to talk how to become a winner on topics as mental management , team behavior , wide visual focus for wind reading , maybe load tuning ; i have absolutely no opposition to compete against a magazine fed rifle ,even against a semi or full auto ( i would love to test that when we shoot a 60 knots wind match ) ,but only the 2 gun aggregate convinces me , our coach and my felow competitors .
kind regards
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Excellent speech Pascal
 
Pascal,

I cannot understand how discussing the rules that we are forced to obey should not fit under this competitive forum, hence their origin should also be of interest given the fact that the creators must have had something in mind when constructing them. Thinking about this I think it is a fair question to ask if these thoughts are out of date or not? If they are, which someone else than me have to decide upon, a device like this is perhaps just one way of making the path you are walking longer than it needs to be?

I do indeed welcome innovations like this. People pulling the rules and current framework is what creates further development around our sport. In the light of this I think this only amplifies the need for understanding why the original rule was formed as it was?

After seeing the demonstration of this I am, however, still not convinced that this will be something we will see lot of. Future might prove me wrong.
 
An issue I see with this device (based on the YouTube video), is the fact that looks like it sits off the side of the rifle and possibly blocking the part of the view of your flags. You can shoot fast, but if you are not watching the flags... trouble is just a trigger pull away. I could see this working very well in the Unlimited class. Personally, I don't like the fact that your fingers don't touch the next round... just seems unfair when the concept of the rules is "a single shot" rifle.

If it remains legal... I will buy one without a doubt for Unlimited rifle.

Lee
 
Appreciate the ingenuity and execution, but imo seems contrary to the intent/spirit of the rule. I would guess the person that has worked hard for hours to learn to shoot fast is a little annoyed.
 
Does it ever end

What sort of money is this jigger gunna set me back?:p
Im going to have to have one arent I.
 
markharp said:
I would guess the person that has worked hard for hours to learn to shoot fast is a little annoyed.
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I would guess the opposite, if they are a successful competitor. Superficially, if you're talking about mental attitude, such thoughts only distract you. More importantly, if you are talking the mechanics of reloading, the device introduces several compromises I'd just as soon not make.


Kind of like when LPRB became available -- or RBLPRE. Use it if you want. Remember that once you get the SOB reloaded, you still have to acquire the target. Having the left (non trigger) hand free speeds that process. However you approach all the tasks, they need to be part of a subconscious routine. Every technique involves compromises.
 
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