30PPC v. 30 Major v. 30PPC .100 Long

RLHBUSL

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I have a 6PPC that is ready for a new barrel and I'm planning to put a 30 caliber barrell on it and make it my dedicated score rifle. As I understand, the three best 30 caliber options for the PPC sized boltface are the 30PPC, the 30 Major and the 30PPC .100 Long. I believe a 30 Major (formed from a 6.5 Grendel case) is about .700 longer than a PPC. Also, I know that Mike Stinnett (and possibly others) has been shooting a 30PPC .100 long with a lot of success. What are the advantages and disadvantages of the various 30 caliber cartridges that have a PPC sized bolt face. Is one better than the others? Why?

Thanks in advance for comments and recommendations! Ryan
 
Larry Feusse (Michigan) has three or more reemers for his version of the .30 Gorilla, .30 Larry, or .30 GR (grendel case). The key as to why I believe this is an outstanding set up for a PPC based design is that he has the three reemers and can make you the Chamber with one reemer, the sizing die with another reemer, and the seating die with yet another reemer. He has used this Cartridge for a few years now and has it perfected for his use. The dies and chambers are set up right and they work. How do I know this... Because he whooops us regularly with it.

Paul
 
I just went through this decision myself (see my other thread). I decided on a 30major because case prep was pretty simple and I found a smith who already had experience with the round and a reamer on hand.

I have a stiller drop port action so in addition to rechambering I also had to have my stock unglued and have the drop port neck opened up.

I decided against a 30br only because i had to rebate the case rims and I dont have access to a lathe. On the flip side, once you rebate the rims 30br cases seem to last forever.

With the 30major i just liked the idea of necking up, trimming and then they're ready to shoot.
 
I have a 6PPC that is ready for a new barrel and I'm planning to put a 30 caliber barrell on it and make it my dedicated score rifle. As I understand, the three best 30 caliber options for the PPC sized boltface are the 30PPC, the 30 Major and the 30PPC .100 Long. I believe a 30 Major (formed from a 6.5 Grendel case) is about .700 longer than a PPC. Also, I know that Mike Stinnett (and possibly others) has been shooting a 30PPC .100 long with a lot of success. What are the advantages and disadvantages of the various 30 caliber cartridges that have a PPC sized bolt face. Is one better than the others? Why?

Thanks in advance for comments and recommendations! Ryan

The advantage of the 30 Major over a 30PPC or PPC+100 is case forming. With the 30 Major you just neck up 6.5 Grendel brass from Lapua. It's readily available and very high quality. Also, I feel that he case capacity is better than the 30 PPC. I use a type s full Redding 6.5 Grendel bushing die that I open up and drop in the right neck bushing for sizeing and usually make a seater from a 30 cal Wilson blank. It's simple and it works but I do have a reamer to make resize dies with as well.--Mike Ezell
 
I think any of them are going to do the job.

I went with Mike Ezell's 30 Major. I worked with him to make some minor changes to the reamer (basically because I'm lazy and want to minimize next turning).

It sure is easy to just neck up those cases, turn the necks a bit and shoot little dots.

The dies are no problem as the Major is straight off the Grendel case.

I was worried that having a small group of people out there shooting it as compared the the 30 BR would make getting information on tuning, etc a problem. It's turned out to be a complete non-issue.

He's building a second rifle for my son right now. Repeat business is the highest form of praise.


Greg J.
 
Greg,

What tool are you using to neck the case up? Would the k&m tool expandiron that necks 6mm to 30 work with this cartridge as well? Ive never expanded case necks before.
 
The 6mm to 30 Expand Iron would work fine, I guess. I got a Nielson when I bought my Pumpkin turner. I'm spoiled now.

Prior to Nielson expander, I was pretty stupid and was using a 7mm then a 30 cal in two steps. Duh! It's not like I'd never read about the special 6->30 expand iron. Guess I'm getting old.
 
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30 Gorilla

As Paul stated, I have been using my own version of the 6.5 Grendel necked up to 30 for several years. Some have their own version of a similar design, but theirs is called the 30 Major. Mine is just a little different. I use a 35 degree shoulder instead of 30 degree to give me just a hair more case capacity, better feel in the die , less neck growth and a turbulance point inside the neck that is just a wee bit closer to the back. Also, instead of the zero freebore that is so common in the 30s, I use .035" freebore and in some cases as much as .060". I have found that this gives me a little more case capacity and, in my experience, more precision.

When I first started this project, I called Alexander Arms, who owns the name "Grendel" and asked them if they would mind if I called my creation a 30 Grendel. They were nice enough to reply, but informed me that the Grendel name was a propriatary title and I could not use it in any way. I then asked if 30GR would be acceptable, and they agreed. I have since changed the name to 30 Gorilla because I am starting a small company called Gorilla Precision, LLC.

In my set up I use only bullets made on the .925 length jackets which allows me to use barrels in the 19 twist range. With 112 grain bullets, this combination gives me less upset in the bags and velocity up to 3050 fps. I also use IMR 4227 powder, which gives a real quick burn time inside the barrel, which has the added benefit of reduced muzzel blast and thus less recoil. A word of caution, 4227 max loads must be approached with extreme caution, because this powder is very fast and will give dangerous pressures with just a little extra heat of the day or other pressure building changes. My loads are down near the bottom of the neck. Start at about 28 gr. and work up very carefully.

In most cases I go to a match with about 60 preloaded rounds. Since I cannot change my loads during the match or if the weather gets hot, I keep my loads on the mild side and make any necessary adjustment with my tuner. I have found that I can make a chart with density altitude vs. tuner setting that comes out quite linier. As the day progresses, I adjust the tuner by looking a DA on my chart and setting the tuner as indicated. This is so much easier than keeping a 6PPC in tune using the normal methods.

Hope this is helpful.

Larry
 
Thanks!

Thanks to everyone who has taken the time and effort to respond. This is exactly the kind of information I need to make a fully informed decision.

I have not yet made up my mind, so all other comments and recommendations are welcome!

Thanks again. Ryan
 
30ppc

Ryan,

I have been using the 30ppc for the last year or so and have been quite pleased with the results. The last 5 matches this 30ppc scored 23x,22x,19x,22x, and a 19x. I'm sure that with your skills you could do a little better. :D

This is a true 30ppc. I used Jackie's 6ppc reamer and opened up the neck to 30 cal. No need to buy a new reamer or open up your bolt face......

I also use a IMR 4227 mix 50/50 Aussie and Canadian. I use a Kreiger 17 twist with BIB 112 #7's pushing them @ 2950fps. Recoil in a 13.5lb 30ppc rig is similar to a 6ppc 10.5lb rig.
 
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A Question for Larry

Larry,

How did you arrive at the 30 Gorilla? Did you start with the 6.5 Grendel necked up to the 30 caliber and then move towards what you have now? If so, did you find that the original version needed more case capacity to shoot the IMR 4227?

Thanks again!
Ryan
 
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