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    220 Russian - 220 Beggs - 22 PPC

    I'm interested in learning more from shooters who have experience with the 220 Russian, 220 Beggs, or full-length 22 PPC.


    Tony


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    I would think it would be dam hard to beat a 22ppc .100 short. Mine shoots lights out. the cases are easy to make as well. Some say they are a pain in the neck to make, but they really are not. I like trying different things, and i have often thought about the beggs stuff. I have talked with several of the older shooters who had done the 220 russian thing 15 years ago. they say it will shoot, but no better than a ppc. So i guess its up to the individual. I say go for it!! Lee

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    The short 22 PPC is an excellent choice. In fact, any choice is excellent if it shoots. Truth is, there's gonna be some that shoot and some that don't in all the variations making the choice one of little concern. I'd go with the one that's easiest to deal with.

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    I have a 22 PPC that I just had done for vermin. Shoots great and makes good use of all of the leftover 6 PPC brass! A light load with 40 grain V-max creates some excitement in the field.
    What do people do with old 6 PPC brass?

    MAC

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    I took the 220 Beggs plunge and like it. I don't see any evidence of it being much of a challenge to the 6 PPC but it is a very easy round to work with and a lot of fun.

    I got the Hornady dies from Gene and copied Gene's dimensions for a Kiff reamer----except for a shorter freebore to try some lighter bullets for PD shooting. There is a slight mismatch between the reamer and the sizing die at the base which causes clicks at the top of the bolt lift but I haven't tried to relieve the chamber for this.

    I think Gene has resolved this difference----maybe he'll chime in and clarify this. However this difference has not interfered with the fun of casual shooting.

    I won the first club match I tried with the Beggs and fought hard to get last place in the next. I suppose that makes me a middle-of-the-pack shooter but the round should rate better.

    I fired 25 consecutive rounds one day----100 yds--- when the wind was almost constant from right to left for a long time---very little change in flag pattern.

    I saved the targets and had Mickey Coleman measure them-----.141, .156, .152, .137 and .057 . Note that these targets were not fired under competitive conditions and there was no moving backer to verify each shot. Obviously, neither Mickey nor I can validate such targets under serious BR standards---but---they
    are what was shot on that particular day.

    The 220 Beggs is a very easy way to go for a casual shooter and I've enjoyed it.

    A. Weldy

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    -----.141, .156, .152, .137 and .057
    What I was hoping to hear!!!

    PM Sent

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    Tony don't think just because you chamber this up that the groups posted above will be the norm. It takes a lot to shoot 5 groups that well. A hole lot in fact. Good luck and happy shooting. Lee

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    Lee

    That's true -with any combination I believe. I sold a rifle a few months ago to a friend. He chambered three barrels before finding the one that he felt shot like he wanted with his bullets. It's been a WINNER with that barrel...

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    Lee, Tony

    Let's face facts----this was a lucky day in the life of a greenhorn shooter who'll most likely never repeat this trick.

    I've never seen such a simple wind pattern last so long. Most shooters on the range that afternoon shot better than normal. These conditions were a gift.

    Tony,
    I tried a PM back to you but am not sure it left here. If you don't get it I can E-mail it to you if you'll PM your address.

    A. Weldy

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    Here's another fact to face while being humble. The rifle was able to capitalize on those fine conditions and shoot that very impressive string of targets. I'll be content to show up with that rifle just in case those conditions show again. Never know when you'l find a cookie out there.

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    Thumbs up

    Lucky

    "I got the Hornady dies from Gene and copied Gene's dimensions for a Kiff reamer----except for a shorter freebore to try some lighter bullets for PD shooting. There is a slight mismatch between the reamer and the sizing die at the base which causes clicks at the top of the bolt lift but I haven't tried to relieve the chamber for this.
    I think Gene has resolved this difference----maybe he'll chime in and clarify this."
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    In an email discussion, I asked Gene about this:

    The Lapua 220 Russian case right out of the box measures slightly over .4390 to .4400. The original chamber for the Beggs cartridges was specified to be .4400 at dimension 'A' which is .200 in front of the bolt face. The Hornady sizing die is .4400 at this dimension and this didn't give enough squeeze on a fired case to prevent 'click-at-the-top' after the cases were fired several times with hot loads. The Beggs II chamber spec increased dimension 'A' to .4420 which solved the problem. In those chambers that were cut with the old reamers, it's a simple job to polish out the rear of the chamber with 320 on a split dowel. It only takes a minute or two while the barrel is still in the lathe. Gene Beggs"

    Tony
    Last edited by Tony C; 06-10-2012 at 09:15 PM.

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    Tony, thanks for posting Gene's reply.

    Gene discussed this with me but I didn't remember the details.

    Might be wise for me to have my reamer reground by PTG if I decide to do any other 220 Beggs barrels.

    A. Weldy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Shooter A View Post
    Tony, thanks for posting Gene's reply.

    Gene discussed this with me but I didn't remember the details.

    Might be wise for me to have my reamer reground by PTG if I decide to do any other 220 Beggs barrels.

    A. Weldy


    Allan, there is no need to have your reamer reground to the Beggs Mk2 dimension unless it would just make you feel better. The .002 increase in diameter at dimension 'A' can be quickly and easily polished out with 320 and a split dowel after the chamber is finished. Most gunsmiths polish the chamber a little bit anyway and it takes almost no time to do. This must be done in the lathe. Glad to hear your enjoying the 220Beggs. Let me know if I can help you with anything.

    Gene Beggs

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    Thanks Gene.

    I probably should give this a try.

    A. Weldy

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    For those who have had the 220 Beggs, can you tell a difference in accuracy with the turn vs. no-turn necks?

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