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    Updates?

    All:

    It has been a while now, and I am pretty sure several of these "spec" rifles have seen some action..........how are they doing?

    I would have thought after all the fuss and naming rituals that the list of accomplishments would have been posted here by now?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

    kev(OU812)

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    Sept 25th Robert Oats, shooting Spec 1 (Primevil) won the IR50/50 Outdoor Nationals at Kettlefoot, Bristol, VA. There was some very serious talent there to beat as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinnevius View Post
    All:

    It has been a while now, and I am pretty sure several of these "spec" rifles have seen some action..........how are they doing?

    I would have thought after all the fuss and naming rituals that the list of accomplishments would have been posted here by now?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

    kev(OU812)
    Kev, A brief update on the rifles that have been completed so far:
    1) Primevil (see Scott's update in this thread).
    2) High Table - probably no longer a Spec rifle. Was sold by the original owner, and the barrel was changed out. I do not know the current status but I do believe it's not an original Patterson Spec rifle at this time.
    3) Perfect Storm - delivered to an ARA shooter who has just finished his first partial year shooting the rifle in ARA. He's still learning to master the skills needed to win ARA matches.
    4) The Animal - delivered to a young shooter, so it will be awhile before he starts winning matches with it.
    5) Postponed by the future owner at this time.
    6) Waltzing Matilda is under construction at this time, then it's headed "down under" (Australia) to the owner.

    Spec 5, 7 and 8 will be headed to competitive, very experienced shooters in the near future... We'll need to watch their results in the coming seasons...

    FYI only...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rimfireshooter View Post
    Kev, A brief update on the rifles that have been completed so far:
    1) Primevil (see Scott's update in this thread).
    2) High Table - probably no longer a Spec rifle. Was sold by the original owner, and the barrel was changed out. I do not know the current status but I do believe it's not an original Patterson Spec rifle at this time.
    3) Perfect Storm - delivered to an ARA shooter who has just finished his first partial year shooting the rifle in ARA. He's still learning to master the skills needed to win ARA matches.
    4) The Animal - delivered to a young shooter, so it will be awhile before he starts winning matches with it.
    5) Postponed by the future owner at this time.
    6) Waltzing Matilda is under construction at this time, then it's headed "down under" (Australia) to the owner.

    Spec 5, 7 and 8 will be headed to competitive, very experienced shooters in the near future... We'll need to watch their results in the coming seasons...

    FYI only...
    Thanks for the update, very interesting!

    I have always found RFBR interesting in that so much emphasis is placed on the gunsmith - when in my personal experience, its the user who puts in all the hours of very hard work (lot selection, tuning, testing.......repeat!) that determines how competitive any rifle will be - assuming the smithing is all it needs to be.

    Please keep all of us posted, thanks again!

    kev (OU812)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinnevius View Post
    Thanks for the update, very interesting!

    I have always found RFBR interesting in that so much emphasis is placed on the gunsmith - when in my personal experience, its the user who puts in all the hours of very hard work (lot selection, tuning, testing.......repeat!) that determines how competitive any rifle will be - assuming the smithing is all it needs to be.

    Please keep all of us posted, thanks again!

    kev (OU812)
    Hey Kevin, your personal observation is right on the mark. like motorcycle and car racing the driver/ end user is what determines most wins. RFBR is no different. yes, you need a good shooting rifle and ammo, but the shooter will always be 99% of the equation. as has been said many times if you can point it you can win.

    Lee

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    Well now, 99%? I tend to doubt itís anywhere near that. There are more than a few examples of great shooters with great guns and low and behold, barrel goes off, gets damaged, performance goes down substantially. I suspect itís closer to 50-50 but just guessing.
    That said, what part of the equation gos to ammo lot selection, in bigger matches itís bigÖ.very big, Iíve seen guys shoot way over their pay grade with fantastic ammo, getting harder and harder to secure. Best guys with best guns arenít doing jack without that elemen secured.

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    It takes everything, no doubt...but overall, I'll take a solid but mediocre gun that never has the trigger pulled at the wrong time over a super gun that gets the trigger pulled in multiple switches. It all matters, though. The bigger the match, the more likely you are to be shooting against people that are both "on their game" and are tuned to the hilt.
    Simple math there. More shooters equals more people tuned and on their game.

    At a club match, anyone (almost) can be on top of everything and win. At a national level match, you might have 6-12 people tuned up and on their best game. Ya gotta beat them all, on their best day, at a big match.

    If it's you day at a club match you can win. If it's your day at a big match, it's also 10 other people's day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Well now, 99%? I tend to doubt itís anywhere near that. There are more than a few examples of great shooters with great guns and low and behold, barrel goes off, gets damaged, performance goes down substantially. I suspect itís closer to 50-50 but just guessing.
    That said, what part of the equation gos to ammo lot selection, in bigger matches itís bigÖ.very big, Iíve seen guys shoot way over their pay grade with fantastic ammo, getting harder and harder to secure. Best guys with best guns arenít doing jack without that elemen secured.
    Tim, you make some valid points. but putting that aside and knowing rifle and ammo are there it is the shooter who will determine how well they do. that is what I meant now you don't strike me as a shooter who would look at the rifle or ammo as the cause of a dropped point or bad target there is a possibility like you pointed out, but I doubt shooters at your level and those you mentioned will be on the line with a setup that is not there.

    I say 99% because you have to have complete confidence in your setup. for me if I drop a point or shoot a bad target it isn't the rifle or ammo I look at, I look in the mirror for cause.

    Lee

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    I think it more like 60/40, equipment/shooter

    Everything has to be right including the moon phase but without a great rifle and ammo one has NO CHANCE, from my experience. It's really a hen or egg situation.

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-NV Shooter View Post
    Tim, you make some valid points. but putting that aside and knowing rifle and ammo are there it is the shooter who will determine how well they do. that is what I meant now you don't strike me as a shooter who would look at the rifle or ammo as the cause of a dropped point or bad target there is a possibility like you pointed out, but I doubt shooters at your level and those you mentioned will be on the line with a setup that is not there.

    I say 99% because you have to have complete confidence in your setup. for me if I drop a point or shoot a bad target it isn't the rifle or ammo I look at, I look in the mirror for cause.

    Lee
    Youíre right, over the years I Ďve seen way,way too many guys blame crap, usually ammo.
    Over the years, I think Iíve had some pretty good success at this and in my case I try to be super self critical. Any time something like that happens I usually ask ď what did I miss, where did I screw up?Ē
    That said Itís all opinionÖ..fun, but still forum BS stuff. Everything , including you, is part of a system, and everything has to mesh, including every once in a while, a little luckÖ..you either give it or get it.
    Thanks Lee, for the kind words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doclu60 View Post
    Sept 25th Robert Oats, shooting Spec 1 (Primevil) won the IR50/50 Outdoor Nationals at Kettlefoot, Bristol, VA. There was some very serious talent there to beat as well.

    Yes, Robert and Primevil are bad to the bone. I got it handed to me during the IR50/50 indoor nationals meters match Sunday. Robert and Primevil beat me and my 52D by 3 Xs, 749-47 to 749-44. He finished 7th and I was 8th. I really thought I had him covered. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Atkins View Post

    Yes, Robert and Primevil are bad to the bone. I got it handed to me during the IR50/50 indoor nationals meters match Sunday. Robert and Primevil beat me and my 52D by 3 Xs, 749-47 to 749-44. He finished 7th and I was 8th. I really thought I had him covered. .
    Hey George, you certainly were the 99% of the equation in this case and that 1% perhaps bad luck, bad round, who knows!
    great example of what I was saying and great shooting too!

    Lee

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    Lee, the one I missed was all on me, not the ammo or the 52, I was getting lined up on a bull, when Ralph who was two benches up from me muttered, his went high by two rings. So, rather than pull off and shoot a sighter, I opted to just hold a little lower. Had I not done that, I would have miss by two also. The middle of the range that day, was brutal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Atkins View Post
    Lee, the one I missed was all on me, not the ammo or the 52, I was getting lined up on a bull, when Ralph who was two benches up from me muttered, his went high by two rings. So, rather than pull off and shoot a sighter, I opted to just hold a little lower. Had I not done that, I would have miss by two also. The middle of the range that day, was brutal.
    The comment above explains some of the scores I was seeing. Seemed some were really hot, then fell off hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Atkins View Post
    Lee, the one I missed was all on me, not the ammo or the 52, I was getting lined up on a bull, when Ralph who was two benches up from me muttered, his went high by two rings. So, rather than pull off and shoot a sighter, I opted to just hold a little lower. Had I not done that, I would have miss by two also. The middle of the range that day, was brutal.
    George I am still not happy about that. The video of seeing the miss is on repeat. My only other miss (Saturday yards) needed to be plugged. Bottom line it was an enjoyable time.

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