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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Coots View Post
    And then there's nadler who says the DOJ should look into the verdict.
    juries aren't to be trusted to give the progressives the verdicts they want. To hell with justice, the facts and the law, but we have seen that time and time again over the last year and a half as too many cities were left to burn by the FD"s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chism G View Post
    District Of Columbia v Heller

    On June 26,2008 The Supreme Court affirmed 5 to 4 , 554 U.S. 570, District Of Columbia v Heller. This case became binding precedent in all courts in the US. Much has been written on the Hellar vs DC decision and its impact on 2nd amendment Rights. When I am sheltering in place, I sometimes hit the google search button and appease myself,with the legal jargon contained in Hellar vs DC .Sometimes I even convince myself that I understand what Im reading.

    The question was posed,”What have we gained from Hellar vs DC”. The question should not be what have we gained? but what will we gain.

    The important take away is that Heller vs DC is case Law.

    The Hellar decision can be used in any court in the US to defend and protect the right to bear arms. All you need to defend that right is a Lawyer who knows how to effectively use this important tool.


    In the Rittenhouse trial the defendant was acquitted on all charges. by 12 peers.
    Spin it anyway you want. there is no legal precedent established. The prosecution simply failed to prove its case.

    Acquittals are not appealed.


    Glenn
    I agree with this assessment..... the Heller case is important in that by setting a precedent there have been over 80 similar cases opened since the Heller Decision. This will affect thousands of people, mostly gun owners.

    BUT..... in the public eye, on the world stage and in todays political environment I'm going to stand that the Rittenhouse verdict is more important. It sent the biggest, the loudest message I've ever been party to, the message being "Deadly Force By A Citizen Is An Option"



    In the exact same way that eliminating "Concealed Carry Permits" and "Gun Free Zones" will send a clear message.... IS sending a clear message in many places...... and that message is "Be Aware, You Start Something Unlawful And You May Be Killed"


    This Rittenhouse incident IMO sent a message to millions, tens of millions here and around the world that not all Americans are ready to roll over.

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    I will admit though to an absolute personal bias......I AM AN AMERICAN!!!

    And I LOVE kids...... got a whole passel myself and open my property to kids 24-7

    My entire yard and half of the shooting range was yardapes just yesterday..... I walked down to the shop and heard from the woods "Old Man passing, no crossover fire!" ....... turns out there was a 10-acre paintball war on just cuz Cousin Gordon was home on leave from the Air Force....


    That image of Kyle bouncing down the street scared spitless having trouble keeping both feets under him made me feel like Wuhh'Bamma feels about Trayvon Martin..... "That kid could be one a' mine"

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    [QUOTE=alinwa;848199]

    BUT..... in the public eye, on the world stage and in todays political environment I'm going to stand that the Rittenhouse verdict is more important. It sent the biggest, the loudest message I've ever been party to, the message being "Deadly Force By A Citizen Is An Option/QUOTE]

    As for me,the message is no louder than the message in the George Zimmerman case and many other self defense acquittal cases through the years. Pick a case.

    All living things prioritize their own survival above all else and will do what is necessary to stay alive.

    This Jury agreed with the Kids decision to use deadly force to defend himself. The Justice system worked.
    I just hope that none of my Grand kids ever have to take another persons life.
    I know what the aftermath affects are.

    Glenn

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    For those that may not know, and maybe better understand Mr. Chism’s perspective, he is retired DEA.

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    [QUOTE=Chism G;848201]
    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post


    All living things prioritize their own survival above all else and will do what is necessary to stay alive.
    I find it interesting that this seems to be changing.....

    I don't find Gaige Grosskreutz to fit that profile, nor the other two fellows who chased Kyle.....

    In fact, I see a generation of young men who's self image is so low that they're willing to die searching for something to live for.

    I spend a lot of time teaching kids that life's worth living.

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    [QUOTE=alinwa;848203]
    Quote Originally Posted by Chism G View Post

    All living things prioritize their own survival above all else and will do what is necessary to stay alive.

    I find it interesting that this seems to be changing.....

    I don't find Gaige Grosskreutz to fit that profile, nor the other two fellows who chased Kyle.....

    In fact, I see a generation of young men who's self image is so low that they're willing to die searching for something to live for.

    I spend a lot of time teaching kids that life's worth living.


    That quote would not be true were it not for the losers. Im here today because two other guys lost.

    I find a generation of parents who lack parenting skills.

    Glenn




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    [QUOTE=Chism G;848205]
    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post



    That quote would not be true were it not for the losers. Im here today because two other guys lost.

    I find a generation of parents who lack parenting skills.

    Glenn




    Glenn
    A permissive societal trajectory that has resulted in a proliferation of violent movies, games and attitudes. Single parents that never should have had kids. Drugs and a message that whatever you do "its somebody else's fault." All of which is sheer BS, but the human nature in many will let them devolve into the least acceptable level, dependent on handouts from the hardworking element of society. Not so much handouts, as the printing of fiat money that eventually will create massive inflation and another major recession or two. Creating money by fiat is a hidden tax on us all as it does nothing but drive prices higher and really harms folks on fixed incomes who never anticipated such irrational, reckless behavior by our elected officials...socialist dems and republicans too. What is their end game but to enrich themselves? Will we survive it? I don't know!!

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    I'd encourage everyone to watch last evenings interview of him by Tucker Carlson. -Al

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Nyhus View Post
    I'd encourage everyone to watch last evenings interview of him by Tucker Carlson. -Al
    I don't have a problem with the verdict, but I'm not interested in hearing anything the young man has to say. Placing himself in that situation speaks volume to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter View Post
    I don't have a problem with the verdict, but I'm not interested in hearing anything the young man has to say. Placing himself in that situation speaks volume to me.
    I had similar thoughts initially. Having heard more of the facts last evening, I was wrong.

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    I watched it from the opening statements to the verdict being read. Each and very day from the start to the finish of each day. The young man was clearly innocent and he had the same right as the rioters to be there. So it is not just an opinion but what actually took place. The folks he protected himself from were mostly felons and not up standing citizens by any means. It was they who ended up loosing their own lives and also the fault of the one who was shot in the arm. The prosecutors were not seeking justice by any means. They with held evidence, altered videos and openly lied as did one of their star witnesses. They were trying to persecute the young man and not to prosecute him or they would have been openly honest. And not falsified the evidence they were trying to present to the jury who obviously recognized what it was they were actually trying to unjustly do to this young man. Who will also end up to be a very wealthy man. When he gets done suing every news media outlet that defamed this young and hopefully it will also include Joe Biden himself. But his life will also not be an easy one from here on out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter View Post
    I don't have a problem with the verdict, but I'm not interested in hearing anything the young man has to say. Placing himself in that situation speaks volume to me.
    I'm perfectly aware of that Hunter...... as you're finding out, you and I disagree.

    Fundamentally


    This means that EVERY thought, action and reaction you have is 180 degrees off from mine.

    opposite.

    Folks like you make me feel all warm and fuzzy....about not BEING you.

    BTDTGTTS


    Winston Churchill said it best:

    "If you're not a leftist in your 20s you have no heart, if you're not a conservative in your 40's you have no head
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    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post
    as you're finding out, you and I disagree.

    ...

    This means that EVERY thought, action and reaction you have is 180 degrees off from mine.
    I'm OK with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post

    In fact, I see a generation of young men who's self image is so low that they're willing to die searching for something to live for.
    Hoffer wrote of this back in 1951. Funny (NOT) how prophetic so many books from the past have become.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

    Part 1. The Appeal of Mass Movements
    Hoffer states that mass movements begin with a widespread "desire for change" from discontented people who place their locus of control outside their power and who also have no confidence in existing culture or traditions. Feeling their lives are "irredeemably spoiled" and believing there is no hope for advancement or satisfaction as an individual, true believers seek "self-renunciation".[3] Thus, such people are ripe to participate in a movement that offers the option of subsuming their individual lives in a larger collective. Leaders are vital in the growth of a mass movement, as outlined below, but for the leader to find any success, the seeds of the mass movement must already exist in people's hearts.
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