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    say what you want the proof is on the targets.
    today a 52c target cannot keep up with a custom.
    and from the scores modern sporters can out shoot a 52c in sporter.

    Quote Originally Posted by blades View Post
    over my term here on earth I have seen a lot of various "factory " class rules. Same with "sporter" . The over all problem is how far one can bend / strech the rules.
    There are 2 types of 52c's one is a match rifle with a meduim or heavy weight barrel- very common . The other is a sporter in the pure sense of the word with a relativly light tapered barrel.- these are kind rare.

    Putting a wolf in sheep's clothing does not make it a sheep.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by rsmithsr View Post
    since , by rule, my 52c is not a "stock" rifle and must shoot against full blown custom rifles i am looking at adding a br stock, anyone know of a source for a 52c br stock ??
    I may add a flat to the forearm in the mean time.
    Thanks
    i put a r m syock on my 52 win 3with hat barrel shots i low ones.

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    Wouldn't be a Factory gun

    Quote Originally Posted by BillBrawand View Post
    i put a r m syock on my 52 win 3with hat barrel shots i low ones.
    Got to have the original barrel with the factory writing for Factory class.

    Pete

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    fred,
    both the factory and the unlimited class use a 5x5 grid of bullseyes
    each bullseye is boxed and numbered, 1 thru 25.
    some sighter targets some ad's for sponsors
    light blue on white card. 11"x 17"
    https://www.killoughshootingsports.c...a-targets.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Fred J View Post
    I've shot ARA, since it's inception. Never saw a target you describe.

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    Different explanation every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred J View Post
    Different explanation every time.
    Yep, not enough experience to understand yet. Nor does he understand his audience on this board or another he continues to 'display' himself on. Shame, as a lot of guys do enjoy helping new guys.

    Scott

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    no
    i expanded the information since you CLAIM(NO PROOF) you shoot ara.
    ORIGINAL POST
    5x5 bullseye target 20 min per target,
    ( 5x5 is 25 bulls for those that cannot do the math)
    you claim you shoot ara but have never seen a 5x5( 25 bull ) target.
    i call bs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred J View Post
    Different explanation every time.
    Last edited by rsmithsr; 03-30-2021 at 09:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsmithsr View Post
    no
    i expanded the information since you CLAIM(NO PROOF) you shoot ara.
    ORIGINAL POST
    5x5 bullseye target 20 min per target,
    ( 5x5 is 25 bulls for those that cannot do the math)
    you claim you shoot ara but have never seen a 5x5( 25 bull ) target.
    i call bs
    mikeinco2014.......yes, your username on another board

    Arguing with other shooters who have a lot better idea/experience of shooting sanctioned RFBR is not going to get you very far in this game as far as building relationships that can help you better your game. Your posts indicate your lack of knowledge, no matter your 'bravado'. I found when I started it was better to ask questions and not argue with the folks that had the answers. You seem to have a different approach. That's where I call 'BS'.

    Best of luck to you and your attitude........Scott

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    There is never any point

    in complaining about rules. If one doesn't like them, don't participate. I've done my share of complaining in the past so I know from where I speak. If ya don't like the rules, don't play. The Rimfire Orgs except of the NRA are privately owned entities. The owner has the right to call the tune, it's really that simple.

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Wass View Post
    in complaining about rules. If one doesn't like them, don't participate. I've done my share of complaining in the past so I know from where I speak. If ya don't like the rules, don't play. The Rimfire Orgs except of the NRA are privately owned entities. The owner has the right to call the tune, it's really that simple.

    Pete
    The ARA is not privately owned. Eley owns ARA.

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    Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    The ARA is not privately owned. Eley owns ARA.
    I stand corrected. I didn't know Eley owned it. Wouldn't make a lot of difference. Likely, there are still no members or an organization for members to hold to task. Not a lot different than privately owned unless Eley has created a governing board and requirement for membership.

    Pete

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    52c in ARA BR

    Quote Originally Posted by rsmithsr View Post
    say what you want the proof is on the targets.
    today a 52c target cannot keep up with a custom.
    and from the scores modern sporters can out shoot a 52c in sporter.
    I understand your frustration with ARA's restrictions of the current factory class. I shot a Remington in that class last year and it was banned for 2021. This year I am shooting a CZ and it is at least as good as my old Remington. But, I still would have preferred to shoot an American rifle. I tried to tune up an old Winchester 69A and a Stevens 416, both of which are still accepted in Factory but neither had the accuracy potential and both were clunky old rifles with several handicaps to overcome. In the end, the CZ won out for this season. We have only two options with ARA, either comply with the rules for Factory class or move up to Unlimited which has fewer restrictions.

    Why worry with putting the old 52 into a BR stock? Just take it to the match and enjoy it. You may or may not win. Probably not but as you learn and improve then decide what next. I have toyed with shooting one of my 52's in ARA unlimited off of sand bags just for fun but time and ammo is limited this year and it is not going to happen much if any in the short term.

    My local club hosts sanctioned ARA Factory and Unlimited matchs. I have shot one of my old 52's in some of the unlimited matches in the past. It was lucky to score high 1800-1900 scores but I am a better shooter today. Our same club shoots a weekly 50y BR fun shoot and while we mostly use an IBS tgt our rules are any factory 22lr repeater. That allows Annies, Sakos; VuDoos, and lots of Winchester 52's. A's, B's, C's. They often win. Sometimes others win. The best current ARA factory rifles struggle to keep up with that crowd. Sometimes a CZ or Tikka will score well but it is not easy. In that fun shoot we sometimes shoot the ARA Unlimited card with our stock Win 52's. It is rare for one to score higher than 2000. We are shooting off sand bags in that match and do not allow tuners. If you want to shoot your rifle in ARA, mount a tuner and test you ammo and if you want get a Pappas one piece rest. or just mount a bipod and shoot off a rear rest. The old 52's are great old elite rimfire rifles. I love em and own four and they all shoot as good as any stock rimfire I own.

    But they are old school tech. The triggers are not great and cost a bit to fix. In a word, they are an obsolete rifle which was very well made but harder to make better without effort. They are not going to beat a well tuned Turbo, Hall, 40x or 2500x or other well built custom with a good match bbl and all the bells and whistles. It would be an uphill climb. I consider the VuDoo to be the modern equivalent of the 52 and if you were to build a new 52, it would cost as much as a VuDoo IMO.

    If you want to shoot ARA, for the price of only the Pappas rest you can buy a CZ or Tikka and be competitive in factory class. Neither will outshoot my 52's. With good ammo and skill you can win. But you will have to beat me to do it.

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    thank you for your reply.
    spending large volumes of money is not on my list.
    i paid less than $500 for the 52c with a scope mount and a 36x br was in hand.

    i was hoping to spend time shooting competitively, that aint gonna happen.
    in a front rest and rear bag it still rolls to much, so i will add a 1/2 x 3 x 6 al alloy to the forearm, and stop there with money spent.
    the option for a stock seems to have died as the maker has chosen to not call after our first conversation.
    suppose i could fab a stock from a used stock i have.............

    Quote Originally Posted by JG26_Irish View Post
    I understand your frustration with ARA's restrictions of the current factory class. I shot a Remington in that class last year and it was banned for 2021. This year I am shooting a CZ and it is at least as good as my old Remington. But, I still would have preferred to shoot an American rifle. I tried to tune up an old Winchester 69A and a Stevens 416, both of which are still accepted in Factory but neither had the accuracy potential and both were clunky old rifles with several handicaps to overcome. In the end, the CZ won out for this season. We have only two options with ARA, either comply with the rules for Factory class or move up to Unlimited which has fewer restrictions.

    Why worry with putting the old 52 into a BR stock? Just take it to the match and enjoy it. You may or may not win. Probably not but as you learn and improve then decide what next. I have toyed with shooting one of my 52's in ARA unlimited off of sand bags just for fun but time and ammo is limited this year and it is not going to happen much if any in the short term.

    My local club hosts sanctioned ARA Factory and Unlimited matchs. I have shot one of my old 52's in some of the unlimited matches in the past. It was lucky to score high 1800-1900 scores but I am a better shooter today. Our same club shoots a weekly 50y BR fun shoot and while we mostly use an IBS tgt our rules are any factory 22lr repeater. That allows Annies, Sakos; VuDoos, and lots of Winchester 52's. A's, B's, C's. They often win. Sometimes others win. The best current ARA factory rifles struggle to keep up with that crowd. Sometimes a CZ or Tikka will score well but it is not easy. In that fun shoot we sometimes shoot the ARA Unlimited card with our stock Win 52's. It is rare for one to score higher than 2000. We are shooting off sand bags in that match and do not allow tuners. If you want to shoot your rifle in ARA, mount a tuner and test you ammo and if you want get a Pappas one piece rest. or just mount a bipod and shoot off a rear rest. The old 52's are great old elite rimfire rifles. I love em and own four and they all shoot as good as any stock rimfire I own.

    But they are old school tech. The triggers are not great and cost a bit to fix. In a word, they are an obsolete rifle which was very well made but harder to make better without effort. They are not going to beat a well tuned Turbo, Hall, 40x or 2500x or other well built custom with a good match bbl and all the bells and whistles. It would be an uphill climb. I consider the VuDoo to be the modern equivalent of the 52 and if you were to build a new 52, it would cost as much as a VuDoo IMO.

    If you want to shoot ARA, for the price of only the Pappas rest you can buy a CZ or Tikka and be competitive in factory class. Neither will outshoot my 52's. With good ammo and skill you can win. But you will have to beat me to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JG26_Irish View Post
    I understand your frustration with ARA's restrictions of the current factory class. I shot a Remington in that class last year and it was banned for 2021. This year I am shooting a CZ and it is at least as good as my old Remington. But, I still would have preferred to shoot an American rifle. I tried to tune up an old Winchester 69A and a Stevens 416, both of which are still accepted in Factory but neither had the accuracy potential and both were clunky old rifles with several handicaps to overcome. In the end, the CZ won out for this season. We have only two options with ARA, either comply with the rules for Factory class or move up to Unlimited which has fewer restrictions.

    Why worry with putting the old 52 into a BR stock? Just take it to the match and enjoy it. You may or may not win. Probably not but as you learn and improve then decide what next. I have toyed with shooting one of my 52's in ARA unlimited off of sand bags just for fun but time and ammo is limited this year and it is not going to happen much if any in the short term.

    My local club hosts sanctioned ARA Factory and Unlimited matchs. I have shot one of my old 52's in some of the unlimited matches in the past. It was lucky to score high 1800-1900 scores but I am a better shooter today. Our same club shoots a weekly 50y BR fun shoot and while we mostly use an IBS tgt our rules are any factory 22lr repeater. That allows Annies, Sakos; VuDoos, and lots of Winchester 52's. A's, B's, C's. They often win. Sometimes others win. The best current ARA factory rifles struggle to keep up with that crowd. Sometimes a CZ or Tikka will score well but it is not easy. In that fun shoot we sometimes shoot the ARA Unlimited card with our stock Win 52's. It is rare for one to score higher than 2000. We are shooting off sand bags in that match and do not allow tuners. If you want to shoot your rifle in ARA, mount a tuner and test you ammo and if you want get a Pappas one piece rest. or just mount a bipod and shoot off a rear rest. The old 52's are great old elite rimfire rifles. I love em and own four and they all shoot as good as any stock rimfire I own.

    But they are old school tech. The triggers are not great and cost a bit to fix. In a word, they are an obsolete rifle which was very well made but harder to make better without effort. They are not going to beat a well tuned Turbo, Hall, 40x or 2500x or other well built custom with a good match bbl and all the bells and whistles. It would be an uphill climb. I consider the VuDoo to be the modern equivalent of the 52 and if you were to build a new 52, it would cost as much as a VuDoo IMO.

    If you want to shoot ARA, for the price of only the Pappas rest you can buy a CZ or Tikka and be competitive in factory class. Neither will outshoot my 52's. With good ammo and skill you can win. But you will have to beat me to do it.
    No Dís? If so, why?

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    i doubt there is a "why" answer,
    you will have to go to ara site and check the gun class rules
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicksville Kid View Post
    No Dís? If so, why?

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