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    Free Recoil question for Tonykharper

    Im trying to shoot free recoil with me at the side of the rifle. Should I be behind the rifle? What benefits are gained shooting from behind vs beside rifle? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
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    Cool

    From one oldman to another oldman, I started shooting free recoil about five or six years ago.
    Iím a right hander and sit to the left/next to my rifle.
    Iím not saying that some shooters, shoot from behind, Itís just that I have never seen it done that way.
    When I shoot I keep my right hand away from the gun and pinch the trigger with my left forefinger and thumb behind the trigger guard.

    Bob

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    Apart from technique it's also liaised to body size.
    Me, being a small person, cannot shoot other than the rifle side. I don't touch anything expect the trigger. Release and follow-through are done by pulling the arm back, not by the finger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    Im trying to shoot free recoil with me at the side of the rifle. Should I be behind the rifle? What benefits are gained shooting from behind vs beside rifle? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
    There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. Perhaps, I'm about to give one now.

    People are different and what makes them comfortable is different. I believe you have to be stable and comfortable in your position.

    Most benches are built with a cut out and that kinda means you will be beside the rifle.

    If you sat behind the rifle you would be pretty far back. If you have long arms and a long neck you may be comfortable that way?

    I don't think it really matters as long as you are stable and comfortable.

    Now here is where I get in trouble.

    Is shooting free recoil really shooting? It is legal, but is it really shooting?

    It may be the best way many people can shoot, but is it good form?

    If you touch nothing but a very light trigger you are simply observing the results of your pointing.

    The results of the shot is dependent on the rifle, rest, and ammo. You are not involved.

    You are nothing more than a curious observer that happened to pick the hold point.

    Sporters are the lightest, and lest stable rifles we shoot in RFBR, most, if not all, shoot best being held.

    If you accept that as fact, and I do, you will understand it can only help our heavier rifles.

    Of course, it takes time to learn how to hold and not cause more problems than you solve but that is shooting.

    Have you ever noticed how people will say "it" shot a 9? or "it" will group in the ones. "It" is doing the shooting not the shooter.

    These people have accepted they really aren't a big part of the process.

    I'm not being critical, I believe to each their own, but I also believe you will get more out of the sport the more actively you are involved.

    Pinching the trigger works for some, but really isn't a good technique.

    A better idea is installing an o ring on the trigger blade and making sure the pad of your finger engages that o ring the same way every shot.

    TKH
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    Free recoil question for Tonykharper

    Thank you guys for the replies. I will be beside the rifle. Tony I will try the Oring on the trigger thanks for the tip. Pedro have have not heard of pulling the arm back before. Is this technique something of yours? I have a Tony Slapikas roller top(alsap@comcast.com) on my Bald Eagle. My MKiii rifle has a 8-9oz trigger and tracks back very smoothly after the shot, so pulling the arm back for me would move the rifle before the trigger release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    Thank you guys for the replies. I will be beside the rifle. Tony I will try the Oring on the trigger thanks for the tip. Pedro have have not heard of pulling the arm back before. Is this technique something of yours? I have a Tony Slapikas roller top(alsap@comcast.com) on my Bald Eagle. My MKiii rifle has a 8-9oz trigger and tracks back very smoothly after the shot, so pulling the arm back for me would move the rifle before the trigger release?
    oldman,

    I feel compelled to tell you that the roller rest and your heavy trigger aren't a good match. Add to that shooting free recoil and you have a no win situation.

    I've seen others use roller rest and I've tried them but I just can't make them work for me.

    You may want to lock your rifle down a little tighter or get a lighter trigger or both.

    Finding the right combination that is comfortable for you is all part of the fun.

    TKH

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    Thank you guys for the replies. I will be beside the rifle. Tony I will try the Oring on the trigger thanks for the tip. Pedro have have not heard of pulling the arm back before. Is this technique something of yours? I have a Tony Slapikas roller top(alsap@comcast.com) on my Bald Eagle. My MKiii rifle has a 8-9oz trigger and tracks back very smoothly after the shot, so pulling the arm back for me would move the rifle before the trigger release?
    I use this arm pull, and not finger pull, because it gives me the best release possible, and a perfect followthrough. But be aware, all my triggers release around 1 oz...
    For benchrest, the 1st thing is trying the lightest trigger possible. If it's not, holding in some form the rifle, is the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroS View Post
    I use this arm pull, and not finger pull, because it gives me the best release possible, and a perfect followthrough. But be aware, all my triggers release around 1 oz...
    For benchrest, the 1st thing is trying the lightest trigger possible. If it's not, holding in some form the rifle, is the answer.
    Sorry Pedro, I simply cannot believe moving your entire arm is anywhere near as consistent asa simple bend of your finger.
    If it works for you, I guess great, but in all the RF as well as CF world.....this is a first for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Sorry Pedro, I simply cannot believe moving your entire arm is anywhere near as consistent asa simple bend of your finger.
    If it works for you, I guess great, but in all the RF as well as CF world.....this is a first for me.
    for sure you never did archery at high level

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroS View Post
    for sure you never did archery at high level
    Well, the next time I hear about anybody putting arrows in a 1/4Ē circle @ 50 yards Iíll be all ears.
    Seriously, moving your entire arm as opposed to bending the last joint on one finger?????? You might want to rethink that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Well, the next time I hear about anybody putting arrows in a 1/4Ē circle @ 50 yards Iíll be all ears.
    Seriously, moving your entire arm as opposed to bending the last joint on one finger?????? You might want to rethink that one.
    I invite you to take a look here:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_...Y4idz_ghvCT3zw
    you'll be surprised...

    Physiology and brain decision plays a very different role between those two movements. You'll be surprised too...
    I'm not trying to convince anyone. I just share my experience with an open mind, it's up to the shooters to try or not, again with an open mind.
    Release surprise and followthrough are two most important points in precision shooting, not successfully achieved with recoil free and finger control, reasons why holding the rifle is a very good solution like on ISSF disciplines. Benchrest is a different beast.

    More food to thought... target panic and finger control...

    Never mind...

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    Actually, I love watching archery world champs and olympics, again, if it works for you......great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Sorry Pedro, I simply cannot believe moving your entire arm is anywhere near as consistent asa simple bend of your finger.
    If it works for you, I guess great, but in all the RF as well as CF world.....this is a first for me.
    20 some yrs ago i was at matcfh in virigna fellows were using wires on their triger and jufst push a lit6tle button

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    BR legend Harry Deneen used to have a fairly unusual technique by starting to lightly tap his trigger until it fired, said he really did not want to know exactly when the gun fired.

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    Free Recoil question for Tonykharper

    Tony, I shoot a BSA MKiii rifle built by Mac Tilton in about 2008, in 100yd schuetzen benchrest. I live in Amarillo Texas in the wind. If I increase overtravel could I lower the trigger pull weight safely? I use the roller top front rest with a rear rest ,Protektor model Flat Top Dr. Rear Benchrest bag, with 3M slick material. I know the lower trigger pull weight would help my shooting. How do I DO IT? Could you recommend a good trigger smith?

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