Wounded Warrios Project-ANTIGUN

Butch Lambert

Active member
Good morning --
This policy is not a judgment on those who own and use firearms – clearly every member of our armed forces has been trained in the use of firearms and then called on to use them in the course of their service to this country.

Our position regarding firearms and alcohol is in response to the struggles that many injured service members face with substance abuse and suicide and the roles those items often play in those issues.

Thank you.
LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director
 
These people do good work and I will judge them on that basis. They will continue to get my donations.
 
Good morning --
This policy is not a judgment on those who own and use firearms – clearly every member of our armed forces has been trained in the use of firearms and then called on to use them in the course of their service to this country.

Our position regarding firearms and alcohol is in response to the struggles that many injured service members face with substance abuse and suicide and the roles those items often play in those issues.

Thank you.
LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director


Butch, what is the policy in question. I went to the WWP web site and didn't find anything anti-gun but it was a quick search and i could have missed it.
 
Here's the facebook info

By Gun Talk on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 at 8:56am ·
After Sunday's show, we've gotten many emails about Tom's remarks after WWP declined an interview request on Gun Talk Radio because it's a firearms-related show. We've also seen the forums that are suggesting many things that are not true. So, I'm going to lay it all out right here.
We thought it would be great to book the WWP on the Veteran's Day show to promote the organization, so I contacted them. I was flabbergasted when their PR contact, Leslie, sent me an email saying they could not participate because our show dealt with firearms. Knowing that WWP has had a booth at trade shows and various gun shows across the US, takes wounded warriors on hunts and range days, raffles guns and accessories as fundraisers, etc., their policy didn't make much sense. I forwarded the email on to Tom to get his take.
-Sarah

The following is the complete email exchange:
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Hello, Leslie:
Sarah forwarded me your email after I asked her to invite the Wounded Warriors Project to join me on "Tom Gresham's Gun Talk" radio show.

I'm stunned at your email saying that the WWP doesn't participate in an interview or activity related to firearms. Inasmuch as there are 90 million gun owners and most of them support wounded veterans, I think they would be shocked to hear that they are, by way of their hobbies, somehow not worthy of helping with the Wounded Warriors Project.

Does your policy apply also to police agencies and the military, since they are "related to firearms?"

I'm hoping that we have misunderstood your email. Can you confirm that it is, in fact, an official policy of the Wounded Warriors Project to not do interviews with or participate in any activity related to firearms?

Thank you.
Tom Gresham

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Good afternoon --

While we appreciate your interest in Wounded Warrior Project® (WWP) you are correct that we decline the media opportunity.

Please note the following notice that appears on our website which also applies to WWP public awareness policy and inquiries from media outlets:
http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/additional-opportunities.aspx

WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies.

Thank you for your inquiry.

LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director

O: 904.405.1433
M: 904.654.8138
F: 904.296.7347

Wounded Warrior Project
4899 Belfort Road, Suite 300
Jacksonville, Florida 32256

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Thanks for confirming that, Leslie. It was a simple opportunity to promote the WWP on a national program in an effort to send donations your way.
I'll pass along the info that you don't want or need the help of America's gun owners.

Best regards,
Tom Gresham

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Good morning --
This policy is not a judgment on those who own and use firearms – clearly every member of our armed forces has been trained in the use of firearms and then called on to use them in the course of their service to this country.

Our position regarding firearms and alcohol is in response to the struggles that many injured service members face with substance abuse and suicide and the roles those items often play in those issues.

Thank you.
LESLIE A. COLEMAN
public relations director

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Hello, Leslie:

Thank you for that explanation.

I do think -- and I'm being as kind as possible -- that it's the nuttiest thing I've heard in years. Suicides are not linked to firearms. Japan has a much higher rate of suicide than does the U.S., and they have essentially no firearms. Suicide is a serious issue irrespective of the methodology used.

This explanation doesn't pass even the most simple "does this make sense" test.

Your policy does, in fact, brand firearms and the companies which make them as undesirables, and by association, you are saying that those who own and use firearms for recreation, hunting, self protection, and other safe and legal uses are to be avoided.

It's certainly your option to ostracize the firearms industry, the 90 million gun owners in America, and the media which support firearms safety training.

At this point, I feel an obligation to make sure the millions who listen to my radio show and watch my two national television series know about your policy.

I cannot fully express how much I feel you are doing a disservice to our wounded veterans, and how disappointed I am to discover this bias at the Wounded Warriors Project.

Sincerely,
Tom Gresham

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Blake Ringberg Well WWP because you have an idiot for a PR director you have "screwed the pooch" I would think that any PR that is wanting to promote you is good PR for you all but not this time!!! and by the way where can i send my WWP stuff back to?
19 hours ago · 2

James Youden This is the nuttiest thing I have ever heard. The Friends of NRA hold events for them throughout the year all over the country. I am gonna send this link to the powers that be....
19 hours ago · 2

Cynthia Stevens This disturbs me greatly. It does appear that there is a "selective double standard" when it comes to whose money the WWP likes and whose they don't. As Bill O'Reilly (The Factor, Fox News, 7PM CST) is a very big supporter of WWP, I have apprized him o...See More
19 hours ago · 3

Andrew Callis WWP stop backpedaling cause you can't fall off your perverbial bike any harder than you already have... I for one think you have double standards and a deeper lying issue with gun talk. Talk about politically motivated douchiness. That is all...
18 hours ago via mobile · 3

Sam William John Screw the WWP!! They'll never get a dime from me.
18 hours ago · 2

Aj Metternich I am a civilian, NRA member, and I was shot as a result of a friend "playing" with a gun when I was a kid. I could not serve my country in body but in spirit I will give my last dying breath. I have supported DAV for years and had considered spliting my yearly donations between the WWP and DAV, until this poison is purged from their organization I will stay with DAV.
18 hours ago · 2

Gene Abramshe Cars, drugs and a few buildings have played a role in suicides as well. But let's not get silly and ban donations from drug companies, car dealers and building owners.
18 hours ago · 3

Nancy Warren I am so tired of PC crap fom libturd groups that I will never ever donate a cent to WWP...get your money from obama and his little demonsat the PLAYBOY MANSION where the pervs are!! I will donate to the USO instead. I am the Mom of a US Army retiree andwife of a NAvy Vet. The USO does great work, alway has!! WWP is a front for some PC creeps.
18 hours ago · 2

McNett's DoubleTap Ammunition Until their stance is changed, no more donations to WWP from me our my company. I will donate more to HAVA.
18 hours ago · 4

Joey Griebel No more donations will be coming from this guy. What a joke
18 hours ago · 1

Annemarie Keller I will never support the WWP again!
18 hours ago · 1

Justin Rappaport Baldr Odinson is an anti-gunner, and she supports WWP. Enough said.
I'll support our troops and vets via other means.
18 hours ago · 2

Guy Patten That stops any support I would give them
18 hours ago · 1

Manny Koutouzis Donations-Done!!!!
17 hours ago via mobile

Robert V Gale www.facebook.com/budroeshow you really should got on the air, and discuss this from both formats on www.suckitupusa.com . This subject will be great radio, and be a way to get both points across! Just ask Buddy Evans, an avid voluteer for this, and many programs!

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17 hours ago · 1

Jim Kennedy I think Tom needs to grow up. If this is not a publicity stunt for Gun Talk, it's just hypocritical. Last I knew, it's not just us that support firearms ownership that also support freedom and liberty, of which neither exist if they don't exist equally, for everyone whether you like it or not.
17 hours ago · 2

Phil Tomey I am a Vet and will no longer support WWP!!!!
17 hours ago · 3

Terry Hernlund WWP made an ROI decision, not a 2A decision. Gersham stirred this pot before doing any real due diligence to find out what was really what. And in the end, vets lose. How many calls were made? Did anyone seek confirming comments from company office...See More
17 hours ago · 2

John Meredith A good reminder of why it's important to research charities before donating money, we all need to pay more attention. I wonder if there are 4 veterans who could split Steven Nardizzi's $300K salary and each make $75K doing the same work? My donations will go elsewhere, for both reasons.
17 hours ago · 2

Richard Boggs Hey Baldr Odinson, I went to your facebook page just to confirm what I thought. You are just another anti-gun nazi from the LEFT coast. Go hug a tree and leave the REAL AMERICANS alone.
16 hours ago · 3

Terry Hernlund @John Meredith - The CEOs of the USO and the Red Cross make $100k and $200k more, receptively. You'll find the same in any large charity. A good and effective CEO comes with a price tag.
16 hours ago · 2

James Cadden This needs to be cleared up. They go to SHOT show and appear on NRA news show, doesn't seem like everyone at the WWP is on the same page. Hope this is not a new policy...
15 hours ago · 1

Larry Todd Frazier Shared, this is just nutty...
15 hours ago

Tony Gamez I am no longer a supporter of the WWP.
15 hours ago via mobile · 1

Ryan Messerschmitt No more money for them. If I see them at a gun show again I will make sure they they don't get donations
15 hours ago via mobile · 1

John P Szczepanowski I would encourage all to read WWP financial report.They offer resources and outings. Oh they have also help wounded vets get Springfield rifles in the past so they are also hypocrites. http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12842

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15 hours ago via mobile

Chris Taylor The CEO's for the USO and Red Cross don't put their logos on shirts for profit or try to sue other companies with the same mission! And when was the last time you saw anyone form WWP at a terminal greeting returning veterans form the desert like the USO does? You cannot compare a for profit business like WWP with the the USO or Red Cross.
15 hours ago · 3

Esteban Masanis WOW!! Can you say backpedal? I can tell you this not one more cent to you guys in any way shape or form! I would not be surprise if we find out these people voted for Obama!
14 hours ago · 1

Michael Molnar Go to Rogue Corps page. It is a non profit organization that helps wounded warriors get back out on the range. Please look at the page and see if it worth your donation. I think they do great work.
14 hours ago · 1

Sandra Kay-Partin DuBose Larrington As a vets wife and daughter i have a hard time saying WWP is worthless. They have done things to help (my husband for one) HOWEVER we are also gun owners. As a radio show they have every right to ask for an interview. The text from WWP stated that they...See More
14 hours ago via mobile · 2

Rocky Ford I'm glad I saw this. I was going to make a donation to WWP but I'll stick with The Salvation Army. More of every dollar they receive goes to the needy anyway.
13 hours ago · 2

Erik Larson Yep. Another gun owner no longer interested in supporting WWP. As pointed out by a friend "If you want to help our military, veterans, and their families, please support the Fisher House:http://www.fisherhouse.org/ "

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13 hours ago · 2

Bill Conrad Thank you Jim Wilson for calling our attention to this, my company will not be supporting the WWP as a result of this, and I will post links to all of this for my customers and my followers.
13 hours ago

Eric Battenfield Kerri, No they are not taking money away from veterans. People will instead donate to organizations who give a much greater percentage of the donations to the veterans and not to internal salaries so moving money from WWP to other organizations actually increases the benefit to our wounded veterans.
13 hours ago · 4

Dennis Hurley Upsetting and disappointing. The WWP and their PR director really screwed up this time. The WWP should start with firing their PR director, apologizing to the gun community, and apologize to the veterans the are supposed to represent. Not allowing t...See More
12 hours ago · 1

William Coonradt Thats the last time WWP gets any of my money...truly disappointing
11 hours ago · 1

Lance Nutt www.sheepdogia.org
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11 hours ago via mobile · 1

Shay Fowler Apparently the WWP is now also against rope. And knives. If a person is determined to commit suicide, they'll find a way.
11 hours ago · 1

Shay Fowler There are too many conflicts here that bother me. As another poster pointed out, WWP actually sold a Citadel Wounded Warrior Project 1911 commemorative gun. They sponsor hunts. I'm thinking that their "PR" person screwed up. I'll wait until there is an official response before I pull my monthly donations.
10 hours ago · 3

Peter Christian Doomanis I have long supported WWP - I find their stance a profound and utter disappointment.
10 hours ago · 1

Barry Dworak " I'm thinking that their "PR" person screwed up." If this is a screw-up, I'd expect her to be summarily fired, an official retraction and apology issued by the organization, and an interview with Tom Gresham on his next show. Short of that, one has to assume that she was representing the organization.
2 hours ago

Tony Romano I refuse to commit to donate $19.00 a month like they want but I have given them donations as I can afford it. I will now STOP giving to this charity. I refuse to give to ANY anti-gun organization period!
2 hours ago

Shay Fowler If this is truly their policy, WWP needs to explain this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2oMej9GZtI

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about an hour ago

Shay Fowler I'm thinking that "leslie" needs to be fired.
about an hour ago

David Fischer The WWP does have the right to refuse the request. However they should be prepared to pay for it as most have posted here. I will still support the WWP for respect of our veterans. However I will no longer do it with my money. With my funds I will support the DAV. This lady needs to resign.
57 minutes ago

Jared Verbois Well, if I was ever going to donate to WWP, I'm not now.
35 minutes ago

Donna Balius The Fisher House is now the recipient of my monthly donation thanks to Ms. Coleman,
11 minutes ago via mobile

Bill Buchsbaum The WWP obviously doesn't need or want the support of this gun-owning Vietnam veteran.
5 minutes ago
 
It sure sounds like they have went from a charitable and aid organization to a "business" organization. Maybe their books should be opened and people see what the donations are being spent on.

But any of these organizations out to help vets pale in comparision of the atrocities that are occurring at VA Hospitals and clinics as it pertains to wounded veterans. It is so sad.

Hovis
 
Kevin someone a few yrs ago opened the books to these "Charitable Organizations".
I will have to look for the email.
The worst was United Way. Something like 70 % for the business. CEO +280K in salary.
And it was pushed at my work. When this was pointed out. The push at work slowed.
The HR dept. wanted to know why, you would not contribute, to United Way. That person left a few months later. Runs HR a Catholic Nun retirement home. Votes for Barry, also......
Anyway. I believe you are correct. A business.
But, you forgot the "Crony Capitalism" thing. Bet this person was appointed for being "a friend of Barry".
 
The CEO Steven Nardizzi will be appearing on Gresham's Sunday show to explain how this was nothing more than a big misunderstanding. I'm a bit skeptical. It's always about the money. I glanced at the board of directors of WWP and it would seem it's board in name only. Policy is probably being dictated by this ProMedia outfit. Again a good cause hurt by selfserving bureaucrats.

Dave
 
That is all very interesting. Here in Maine there is an orginization named House in the Woods that brings Wounded Warriors in to hunt Bear, Deer Moose and Game Birds. The House is issued a few Moose Permits, which are darn difficult to come by. In addition to that, I recently attended a Machinegun Shoot that was run especially for Wounded Warriors so, here in Maine at least, WW'ers are very involved in guns and shooting. I would suspect there was concern of falling into a trap in conversation.
 
The WWP is quite simply a scam. As a so-called charitable organization, they have only to meet the requirement of the IRS to qualify for, and maintain their favorable determination as a non profit charity. Only 5% and in certain cases, 1% has to go to the intended recipients. I live in an old neighborhood just outside Camp Pendleton consisting of 126 homes. 95% of the homeowners are current and retired Military Vets. Many are disabled. Not one of these Vets has a favorable opinion of the WWP. At a minimum of 6 times per year, with the help of a couple of friends, my wife and I take a dozen disabled Vets at a time out on our boat for a nice fishing trip. We have a WWP representative in the neighborhood who has promised for quite some time to help pay for the cost of the food and diesel fuel (300 gallons) for our boat. Never happened. Unfortunately, no matter what kind of BS excuse the WWP offers to Gresham, whether pro/anti gun, they will never enjoy the reputation as an honest charitable organization. It's a real tragedy that these well deserved Vets don't receive the help they have earned.
 
OK, so if these guys are not the ones to donate to then give me an organization who deserves my money and will put it to good work in a cost effective way.
 
My wife and I watch O'Reilly every night, and she watches a couple of hours on Fox News before O'Reilly, and commented on WWP ads that are on tv several times a day. She commented that those ads have to cost a big pile of money, and if they're spending money on ads instead of what they're collecting it for she's not too inclined to contribute to them. She tells me that she's not very smart, but I'll tell ya she can see stuff that totally blows by me and pretty much understands what's going on. We've found other places to contribute.
 
My wife and I watch O'Reilly every night, and she watches a couple of hours on Fox News before O'Reilly, and commented on WWP ads that are on tv several times a day. She commented that those ads have to cost a big pile of money, and if they're spending money on ads instead of what they're collecting it for she's not too inclined to contribute to them. She tells me that she's not very smart, but I'll tell ya she can see stuff that totally blows by me and pretty much understands what's going on. We've found other places to contribute.

I looked at a number of charities that list the cost of ads comped by networks as contributions. WWP may not be paying for those ads.
 
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