Anyone shooting 220 Russian?

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waderthemudder

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Thinking of converting one of my 6PPCs.
Thanks for any information!
 
If you decide to go that way, I suggest that you go with the .22 Beggs, the only difference being a .060 radius at the neck shoulder junction to reduce case stretching, as compared with the .220 Russian's .120 radius. Beggs dies and reamers are available. Otherwise, the cases are identical.
 
Thanks Boyd....Im looking do as little case work as possible and more shooting. Will the Beggs get me there?
Part of the attraction to 220 is no/little prep. I use Norma brass in my 6ppc for the same reason.
Thank you!
 
The amount of prep work is identical, and the smaller radius at the bottom of the neck should result in less case growth for hot loads. Perhaps you might want to start a thread asking for results from .22 Beggs shooters, and/or call Gene Beggs. He is a fine fellow, and will give you any information that you need.
 
Boyd Allen said:
The amount of prep work is identical, and the smaller radius at the bottom of the neck should result in less case growth for hot loads. Perhaps you might want to start a thread asking for results from .22 Beggs shooters, and/or call Gene Beggs. He is a fine fellow, and will give you any information that you need.
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Will do!
 
Boyd,
I have talked at length to Gene about both the 220 and 6mm Beggs. There is no case prep necessary for the 220 Beggs just load and fire, The only prep needed for the 6mm Beggs is to neck up to 6mm. He recommends using athe no turn versions therefore no turning is necessary. The 220 Beggs has an almost identical powder capacity of a 22 PPC .100 short if I remember our conversation correctly.
 
MarkR said:
Boyd,
I have talked at length to Gene about both the 220 and 6mm Beggs. There is no case prep necessary for the 220 Beggs just load and fire, The only prep needed for the 6mm Beggs is to neck up to 6mm. He recommends using athe no turn versions therefore no turning is necessary. The 220 Beggs has an almost identical powder capacity of a 22 PPC .100 short if I remember our conversation correctly.
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So would either a 22PPC or a 220BEGGs be no case prep?
 
waderthemudder said:
So would either a 22PPC or a 220BEGGs be no case prep?
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Depends, one version of the 220 Beggs requires neck turning and the other does not. A good portion of the full story on both the 220 Beggs and 6mm Beggs [turned-neck and no-turn-neck versions / four versions in all] is told here: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/?s=220+beggs&submit=Search. I personally own the (light) turn-neck version of the 6mm Beggs. With all cases fire forming is required. These are wildcats.
 
22ppc

waderthemudder said:
Standard 22PPC would not need prep though correct. You would load 220 brass and fire form?
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Basic answer is yes.... But if the reamer is a tight neck, .243 or .245 or .247nk... Some neck turing needed but is easy and you can shoot the FL 22PPC at pretty darn high velocities if wanted... With great brass life and Accuracy..

cale
 
OK-OK-OK, I must interject here! :) There's a lot more to the Gene Beggs System than just buying a reamer and having somebody chamber you a barrel. GENE'S SYSTEM works wondrously.... using Gene Begg's modification of the 220R reamer AND his gages properly used AND sized to your lot of brass (or brass bumped to your chamber length) AND with a perfectly fitted resizer built specifically for same, the SYSTEM is sound.

Buying a Begg's spec reamer and having a non-BR gunsmith slobber a chamber in will buy you nothing but trouble. (You mention "converting" to 220R, mebbeso I'm reading too much/too little into this statement)

Gene? Care to comment/correct?

al
 
Al, thanks for the kind words about the Beggs cartridge system. I do not stock the chambering reamers but Dave Kiff does. He is very familiar with the cartridges and can supply the gunsmith with whatever he needs. I have the resizing dies and seaters in stock for both the 220 and 6mm. The bodies are the same on both; .4420 at the back, .4010 at the shoulder and the radius at the junction of the neck and shoulder is .060. Neck diameter is whatever the shooter wants. For a no-turn, walking-around rifle I like a .257 neck in the 220 and a .274 for the 6mm. For benchrest use I would suggest a tight-neck chamber of .250 for the 220 and .269 for the 6. There is nothing magic about the Beggs cartridges vs., the PPC; they both use the great Lapua 220 Russian case. The thing about the Beggs cartridge is that everything was designed to work together as a system. Everything fits! Is it as accurate as the PPC? Yes! It's every bit as accurate but not more than. Final results are determined by the quality of the barrel, bullets and gunsmith work.

When Butch Lambert gets his 'walking-around' rifle finished, I hope he will give us his comments.

Gene Beggs
 
Gene Beggs said:
Al, thanks for the kind words about the Beggs cartridge system. I do not stock the chambering reamers but Dave Kiff does. He is very familiar with the cartridges and can supply the gunsmith with whatever he needs. I have the resizing dies and seaters in stock for both the 220 and 6mm. The bodies are the same on both; .4420 at the back, .4010 at the shoulder and the radius at the junction of the neck and shoulder is .060. Neck diameter is whatever the shooter wants. For a no-turn, walking-around rifle I like a .257 neck in the 220 and a .274 for the 6mm. For benchrest use I would suggest a tight-neck chamber of .250 for the 220 and .269 for the 6. There is nothing magic about the Beggs cartridges vs., the PPC; they both use the great Lapua 220 Russian case. The thing about the Beggs cartridge is that everything was designed to work together as a system. Everything fits! Is it as accurate as the PPC? Yes! It's every bit as accurate but not more than. Final results are determined by the quality of the barrel, bullets and gunsmith work.

When Butch Lambert gets his 'walking-around' rifle finished, I hope he will give us his comments.

Gene Beggs
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Thank you for the thoughts guys. Gene can you comment on case stretching on the 220r vs Beggs?
 
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