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    neck turning

    given your 6 mm ppc cases how do you prepare them to shoot in your rifles?do you neck turn them 2 or 3 times and weigh the cases ?do you shoot them then neck turn again?
    thank you for your imput on this.
    gary b

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    Keep it simple

    If you are shooting a rifle with a .262 or similar chamber it may take two passes to turn them. I prefer a .268, i cut them in a single pass
    -neck it up to 6mm
    -turn necks so the loaded neck dimension is .002-.003 smaller than chamber
    -check how brass chambers, a shoulder bump may be needed depending on chamber
    -load bullets for a hard jam and go shooting
    -after cases are fireformed check for the shortest case and trim them all to that length
    That is my method. Never had a problem.
    You can fireform brass before you turn them but it is more complicated and i dont care for it.
    Sorting cases by weight has no benefit in shortrange benchrest imho if you use lapua.

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    I blow my cases out before I turn them, (.269 neck), but it's just as good to turn them and then fire. I trim them to length after turning. Regardless, you have to fire them twice before they are ready to go to the line.

    I notice at Seymour this past week end that several prominent shooters were using Norma PPC cases, with good results.

    As for weight, I buy them sorted, +- . 2 grn. They cost a tad more, but to me it's worth it. But that being said, I'm not real sure sorting by weight makes any difference. I do it just because I have always done it.

    By the way, the only reason I use a .269 is ease in turning. One pass does it. That's it.

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    neck turning

    i have read the article by t j jackson in ps magizine from years ago .my ? is do you need perfect necks to shoot small ags .he states that is what showed up in that texs warehouse.to get in the zeros in groups you needede perfect necksnow i do not shoot competion ,i shoot for fun.
    gary b

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    The Norma brass

    seems to be very good. I shoot a .270 nk chamber and have been shooting the Norma brass without doing anything to them. Just fireform them once and use them in a match. The lot I have runs .0001 on the neck and what more could you ask for. Will have to see how the primer pockets hold up but I don't run 30+ grs of 133 anyway. I have shot the last two matches preloaded and doing everything with the tuner and have had decent results with that method.
    My loaded round nk dia runs right at .266, right where I want it to be.

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by g n brezinski View Post
    i have read the article by t j jackson in ps magizine from years ago .my ? is do you need perfect necks to shoot small ags .he states that is what showed up in that texs warehouse.to get in the zeros in groups you needede perfect necksnow i do not shoot competion ,i shoot for fun.
    gary b
    takes a few more things than perfect necks. "perfect" means different things to different people.

    Rick

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    necks

    i understand that necks are not everything in benchrest shooting .you need a great action and barrel with a great gunsmith.you need a triger and stock and every thing needs put together the rigtg way.you also must practice shooting in different conditions to get where tony is.
    gary b

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    Quote Originally Posted by g n brezinski View Post
    i understand that necks are not everything in benchrest shooting .you need a great action and barrel with a great gunsmith.you need a triger and stock and every thing needs put together the rigtg way.you also must practice shooting in different conditions to get where tony is.
    gary b
    You forgot luck.

    10 guns, same components, same gunsmith,



    2 will win



    jus' sayin'

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    No amount of practice will get you to where Mr Boyer is.

    Period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by liljoe View Post
    No amount of practice will get you to where Mr Boyer is.

    Period!
    Joe



    Maybe not. but it sure won't hurt. Ask any coach in professional Sports.




    Glenn

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    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post
    You forgot luck.

    10 guns, same components, same gunsmith,



    2 will win



    jus' sayin'


    A Rifle that will win is as rare as a really true friend.


    Glenn

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    It's just amazing

    that the more you practice the luckier you get. The only way I know of to improve your skillset is through practice. That's what I tell the guys who come out to my place to learn a tuner.
    It's one thing tuning for a group, but you have to learn how to tune for an agg. Two totally different things.
    That takes practice, no other way around it.

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    that the more you practice the luckier you get. The only way I know of to improve your skillset is through practice. That's what I tell the guys who come out to my place to learn a tuner.
    It's one thing tuning for a group, but you have to learn how to tune for an agg. Two totally different things.
    That takes practice, no other way around it.

    Richard
    This is probably closer to my way of thinking. I don't shoot group, only score. But I pay attention the top twenty or so in the big group matches and while there are some changes, more often than not it's the same group of guys who are always near the top. I don't for one minute believe that their equipment is all that much better than everyone else. What I do believe is that these guys shoot more than anyone else and I suspect most shoot nearly every day. You gotta have good stuff, but the more practice you do with good equipment and most important, over wind flags, the more likely you are to be near the top when the scores are calculated. If you can't read the wind you have little chance. And as Richard says, if you can't tune either with a tuner or powder you won't have much chance either. This is a very competitive game and you can't leave anything on the table if you want to win, but equipment alone (including good brass prep) won't get you there. And like Al said, it doesn't hurt to be lucky.

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfox View Post
    I pay attention the top twenty or so in the big group matches and while there are some changes, more often than not it's the same group of guys who are always near the top...What I do believe is that these guys shoot more than anyone else and I suspect most shoot nearly every day.
    I asked one of those regular top-twenty guys if he practiced much; he said "No." I told that to another shooter and that second shooter said, without hesitation, "He lied."

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    There's no substitute for competition. I practiced for two years before entering matches. I've learned more on the line shooting against others than practice sessions and internet theory combined. Of course, I still practice too.

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