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    At the supershoot their little meeting was held and they decided then that he should not be on the world team. While I was not there personally this meeting was well known to several others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22wd View Post
    At the supershoot their little meeting was held and they decided then that he should not be on the world team. While I was not there personally this meeting was well known to several others.
    In order to represent The USA at the WBC, a Shooter has to be a member of the NBRSA.

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    That's his point, Jackie. No action, hence, no Rodney.
    If you believe all the conjecture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie schmidt View Post
    In order to represent The USA at the WBC, a Shooter has to be a member of the NBRSA.
    And at this point Rodney is not a member , how coincidental

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBecigneul View Post
    That's his point, Jackie. No action, hence, no Rodney.
    If you believe all the conjecture.
    Francis, that is at the heart of this entire discussion.

    The NBRSA BOD voted to ban a member. The vote was unanimous except for two abstentions. I feel that The NBRSA did not take this action in a foolish and haphazard manner, as many seem to think. They did it after serious deliberation.

    But another problem cropped up. This Shooter was also a qualifier for the World Team.

    What would everybody have the BOD do, ignore the transgressions and decide that no action could be taken because it would jeopardize the Shooter's place on the World Team.

    A decision had to be made concerning the World Team Placement. The BOD decided that since the spot had to be filled by another alternate, a timely decision had to be made. I do not know exactly when the decision was made, but regardless, action had to be taken.

    Once you get by all of the bluster on the Internet, they did the right thing.

    That is, unless you believe that the BOD had no business banning a Shooter for what they determined was severe malfeasance toward the NBRSA.
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    OK the board did the right thing?

    The board did the right thing. Did they? That is the sticking point right there. Where are the examples of his transgressions. Let one person chime in here and say Rodney did this he said this to me. Why hasn't this happened before? It won't, your a smart guy you'll figure it out. Have shot along side Rodney?. Ever see him take a guy that just stopped in to look and get his equipment out, set him up with his gear teach him to load and have him shoot a match. Ever been at a match, have trouble and have Rodney go out of his way to help. I have lots of us have. Even in midst of the name calling I have never heard Rodney respond with malice. If the BOD would have acted the same way Rodney does day to day instead of being banned we would have more New shooters. Before you firmly dig in your heals and say the right thing was done based on side of a disagreement. Talk to Rodney, that way you to will know one of the gems in this sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie schmidt View Post
    The NBRSA BOD voted to ban a member....They did it after serious deliberation.

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    Once you get by all of the bluster on the Internet, they did the right thing.
    Jackie, I've reached out to all of the US-based directors and to Mr. Bukys and have not read or heard one thing that suggests Rodney was given due process, which would include: (a) notice that he was going to be "on trial," and (b) having a fair trial, i.e., one in which the BOD considers only non-hearsay evidence presented in Rodney's presence, and where he has the chance to confront each and every one of his accusers and defend himself against each and every accusation. Any rebuttal to the effect that he had plenty of time to talk to the board members and/or that he was not at the meeting of the BOD is not persuasive because, in the absence of the foregoing, he had no compelling reason to talk to any board member or be at the meeting -- even if he had heard from the grapevine that he should talk to one or more board members.

    I don't consider the lack of due process as "bluster on the Internet," and in the absence of that, I think they did the wrong thing -- without serious consideration.

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    Exclamation Whoa!

    This thread has gotten off-topic in a big way. Here are the facts as I see (and due to several completely reliable sources with first-hand knowledge, KNOW):

    The NBRSAs (or SOMEONES's) role in keeping common rules, records, and schedules, is essential for keeping group shooting alive.

    Things apparently went bad with a former business manager because of, among other things, a shocking lack of oversight of the organization's operations and finances. This is on previous Presidents/BODs and has apparently been corrected.

    The organization's sole other value is our monthly magazine, which costs WAY too much to print and mail. We need to switch to online publishing ASAP. This would save a great deal of money, reducing or at least staving off increases in dues, sanctioning fees, and match fees. It is, after all, a non-profit.


    and... off topic again...

    User 'hunter' has made some objections to actions the board has taken based on common law. No, he is not currently an NBRSA member, but that is not required to post an opinion on this forum. He is perfectly free to voice his opinion, but like Rodney Brown, has to accept responsibility for his published views and actions. I believe he does.

    As a sitting alternate director for NBRSA, it was unacceptable for Mr. Brown to spread false statements about the organization, and actively campaign for users and clubs to leave the organization for another that has no more value to them... This used to be known as sedition. He is free to do and say whatever he pleases, but will be held responsible, as we all are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Andress View Post
    But this whole issue has got me to thinking: WHY save the NBRSA?...

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    So this got me thinking - would we have just as much fun at unregistered matches, open to anyone, without the extra expense and politics? Hmmm...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Andress View Post
    The NBRSAs (or SOMEONES's) role in keeping common rules, records, and schedules, is essential for keeping group shooting alive.

    Jim, have you answered your second question?

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    Fun at matches

    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter View Post
    Jim, have you answered your second question?
    The four-day (registered) match we just help helped me clarify some of the thinking that had me start this thread. No doubt, common rules and records are required, but so is scheduling; not just local matches but regional and national matches as well. Otherwise, it's just every man (or club) for itself. But fun? It depends on each person's definition of what makes a match fun. Personally, a Benchrest match is 30% shooting and 70% people. I'm sure everyone has their own similar scale, with personal values. In my opinion, those that are too wrapped up in number of wins, world records, SOY points, and so forth, are missing out on the best part of the sport, but that is their right to their own values. Most of the people I talked to this past week indicated they could have just as much fun at a unregistered match, but many felt there was probably tighter competition at registered matches. Also, being registered gets you on a schedule managed by the regional directors to prevent too much competition between matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Andress View Post
    The four-day (registered) match we just help helped me clarify some of the thinking that had me start this thread. No doubt, common rules and records are required, but so is scheduling; not just local matches but regional and national matches as well. Otherwise, it's just every man (or club) for itself. But fun? It depends on each person's definition of what makes a match fun. Personally, a Benchrest match is 30% shooting and 70% people. I'm sure everyone has their own similar scale, with personal values. In my opinion, those that are too wrapped up in number of wins, world records, SOY points, and so forth, are missing out on the best part of the sport, but that is their right to their own values. Most of the people I talked to this past week indicated they could have just as much fun at a unregistered match, but many felt there was probably tighter competition at registered matches. Also, being registered gets you on a schedule managed by the regional directors to prevent too much competition between matches.
    Jim, we in the Gulf Coast Region have had the same discussions. Many of our Registered Match Shooters participate in Non Registered Matches, which are Score or longer range Claybreak events. I do not know of any Club that shoots Non Registered Group Matches.

    We do have many shooters who shoot Non Registered Score Matches who will not shoot Registered Group or Score Matches. I really don't know why. These shooters have to shoot against us in Club Matches.

    The truth is, many shooters attitude toward Registered Matches and their prestige centers around the Moving Backer. The general attitude is, if you shooting Group without a moving backer, it simply does not count. People will argue that the "honor system" is good enough. That's BS in my opinion.

    Which leads to something I brought up in another thread. If a Club does not have a moving backer system, or the one that they do have is in such disrepair that no one is willing to work on it, the Club will simply shoot Varmint for Score.

    That's not good for Group Shooting. But it's not bad for the NBRSA because the majority of the VFS Matches we attend are Registered. So the organization does not suffer.

    The answer of course is to get more shooters involved in putting on Matches and help maintaining the target frames moving backer system. Sometimes I get the feeling that shooters come to Matches and just assume all of the work will be done by someone else.

    When nobody is willing, nobody shoots.
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    Any match that I attend, I have to drive anywhere from 180 to 350 miles plus to attend. I'm not going to drive 200 miles to shoot a one day club match especially if it's shot on Sunday. There aren't any registered matches in either the GC region or the Mid Continent region that are just one day matches any longer after Okie Shooters went to weekend matches. I've heard of club matches that weren't registered where they shot group matches and didn't use moving backers. You'll have people in any sport that will do whatever it takes to win and that's unfortunate. A place around Dallas used to have unregistered matches with no moving backers. One person frequently won, but strangely couldn't win at clubs that had moving backers. The guy was caught shooting into the dirt under his target when he'd get three shots into his target. Moving backers aren't flawless though as I've received a couple of penalties when not all of the shots could be counted on the backer. This happens when the group is flat and the backer is moving slowly. Two bullets hitting side by side can cut the same hole in the moving backer. Used to be an inch a minute was the normal rate of travel of a moving backer. If I'm going to take the time and spend the money to shoot group matches, it's going to be a registered match with moving backers.

    If I could drive 30 to 40 miles to shoot a score match, I'd probably do it, but I'm not going to drive the distance that I'd have to drive to shoot score. It's not a snob type of thing, but a preference. If I had the time in the summer and wanted to spend the money to do it, I'm sure I could shoot a registered match just about every weekend from the first of April until the end of August. That's not going to happen. I have to pick the matches that I want to attend.

    The agg that Gary O'Cock shot at Visalia with his rail gun is a good example of shooting at an unregistered match. If that match would have been a registered match and if the measuring was even close, his agg would have eclipsed the former 100 yard 5 shot UL agg record by a long way in either IBS or NBRSA. As it is, it was a great agg and that's about all you can say about it. No record, but it could have been. Most of us have never even come close to shooting a record. It's nice to have the chance though whether you ever do it or not and the only way to do that is for the match to be registered with either the IBS or NBRSA. I doubt if the IBS or the NBRSA will ever join into one organization and there are certainly not enough benchrest shooters for there ever to be a third organization.

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    That agg Gary shot broke my heart. The stars lined up perfectly on all accounts.

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    Save the NBRSA

    I have always said, bring back the Fun.

    The attached Video reminds me of what the NBRSA used to be like, when I first came on the scene.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhGfjlomJ4k:)




    Glenn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur View Post
    That agg Gary shot broke my heart. The stars lined up perfectly on all accounts.
    Wilbur, if there is ever a match that would be on my bucket list, it would be to go shoot at Visalia sometime. I am so glad that I had the chance and was able to shoot at Rachel's Glenn the year that Mickey took my rifle and equipment home with him from the Nationals in Kansas City. Brady Knight as range officer singing "In the Pines" as well as Mickey's hospitality will be forever burned into the memory of my brain. Those memories like that and all the friendships I've made over the the years is why I keep on shooting benchrest. The plaques you occasionally pick up are incidental.

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