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Thread: On the 1* 3 minute reamer:

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    On the 1* 3 minute reamer:

    I purchased a 1* 3 minute reamer from Dave Kiff earlier this year based on a pretty good rumor that it was very close to what Chet Amick used. I finally got to test three barrels I have chambered up using it yesterday, All three of them shot well. The depth of the chamber I chose shows the bullet barely touching the lead. I don't believe Chet jammed his bullets either, based on what I have seen. I also recently viewed a Calfee chamber that looks remarkably like those I just cut. Looks promising to me at this point.

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    1 degree reamer

    Pete,
    I have had quite a bit of experience with that reamer. Dean Bircher and I got one from Kiff back right after Chet died. Dean used that reamer on a Brux 4 groove barrel and shot (2) 2500's in ARA in 1 year and also won just about every IR50/50 match he shot. He was #1 in 10.5# and 13.5# that year. I think it was in 2008. He also did my Shilen ratchet with it and it shot great. It was my second year of shooting so my scores were not as impressive as his. There are advantages and disadvantages with it. To much to write about here, so I will tell you about it at the Nationals this week.
    Gene Stroyan

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    All three 0f em shot

    So far, so good. Particularly the Hart barrel. It's a LASER! Even the Green Mountain "Sporter " barrel I made up shot pretty well; no choke and not finished lapped but it shot pretty well.

    Pete

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    Good thread Pete Chet had something figured out.
    You could be on to something with the 1.3 reamer. Are you shooting any barrels chambered with the 1.3 reamer. At the Nationals?
    Thanks
    Gordon

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    I had a similar talk with Tony Boyer and we agreed that there was such a thing as a GOOD reamer. By that I mean two reamers measuring the same (to the extent they can be measured) will produce different results. I suppose I'm trying to say there are magic reamers. Believe it or not. I won't argue with anybody that sees it differently. One item, and I suppose it's the only item, that supports this belief is the gunsmith that suddenly becomes extremely popular...and then later becomes just another gunsmith. What causes this?!?! A rhetorical question for sure....

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    I'll be out West on Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonE View Post
    Good thread Pete Chet had something figured out.
    You could be on to something with the 1.3 reamer. Are you shooting any barrels chambered with the 1.3 reamer. At the Nationals?
    Thanks
    Gordon
    I am not real big on the Nationals. I never figured they meant any more than any other match I shot in. There is only one winner, no matter where the match is held or who's shooting in it. I've been to a lot of them all over the country and shot with the best of em. Somebody always wins and the rest either enjoy the trip or are miserable. Me, I learned to enjoy the trip a long time ago.

    Now, if this is some sort of calling me out, it ain't gonna work. High School has been over a long time, for me at least. I am not now nor have I ever been a National level shooter. I don't practice , never have, nor do I spend a lot of money on the latest or the bestist. I just am not wired that way. My ego is content to simply be part of the sport. I don't have to be the best at it to enjoy it. What I do like however is trying different things, which I actually do on occasion. I also believe in sharing everything, unlike some others. I always liked the road races where all the cars were prepared by an Org. to be as exact as they could mechanically be and let the drivers show the audience how good they were. Most other sports revolve around folks trying to find some sort of mechanical advantage. Some might consider that not very sportsman-like at all I think. But no, I won't be shooting one of my chambers in the Nationals. So what?

    Pete
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    The Herd Mentality, perhaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur View Post
    I had a similar talk with Tony Boyer and we agreed that there was such a thing as a GOOD reamer. By that I mean two reamers measuring the same (to the extent they can be measured) will produce different results. I suppose I'm trying to say there are magic reamers. Believe it or not. I won't argue with anybody that sees it differently. One item, and I suppose it's the only item, that supports this belief is the gunsmith that suddenly becomes extremely popular...and then later becomes just another gunsmith. What causes this?!?! A rhetorical question for sure....
    Our sport sometimes seems to suffer from the herd mentality; just a cynic's observation you understand. It's like any other aspect of our sport, what's hot and what's not, eh? It my not be so rhetorical. I think inflated egos may play in sometimes. Did I say I might be cynical?

    What I enjoy seeing is when lads build their own winning rifles. There is a lesson there, for sure. I would not agree on Magic Reamers. I think and in fact know, there are magic barrels. How would one know if the reamer was magic or the barrel, in any particular case, even if the same barrel was chambered with both reamers in some sort of succession? Perhaps that barrel wanted the chamber in the particular place it shot best in. Now, let's see, which reamer did we use first? Now different reamer styles, another matter.

    Pete
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur View Post
    I had a similar talk with Tony Boyer and we agreed that there was such a thing as a GOOD reamer. By that I mean two reamers measuring the same (to the extent they can be measured) will produce different results. I suppose I'm trying to say there are magic reamers. Believe it or not. I won't argue with anybody that sees it differently. One item, and I suppose it's the only item, that supports this belief is the gunsmith that suddenly becomes extremely popular...and then later becomes just another gunsmith. What causes this?!?! A rhetorical question for sure....
    Nobody bats 1000 at this game Wilbur. At the end of the day the best smith is at the mercy of his componants and try as they might there are variables that usually enter into the equation and they dictate less consistancy than we'd all like to believe.
    I know, for instance, a well known shooter that went to a well known gunsmith and supplied a very popular barrel choice.
    The problem is, he sent 10 blanks to the guy and at the end, 2 were found suitable. You know many guys willing to undertake that effort for a build?
    My #1 gun uses a barrel that, by all measures, would be considered less than mainstream, yet it has performed to a very high standard. That said, I consider myself, damned lucky and unlikely to get another any time in the near future done to that standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Wass View Post
    Our sport sometimes seems to suffer from the herd mentality; just a cynic's observation you understand. It's like any other aspect of our sport, what's hot and what's not, eh? It my not be so rhetorical. I think inflated egos may play in sometimes. Did I say I might be cynical?

    What I enjoy seeing is when lads build their own winning rifles. There is a lesson there, for sure. I would not agree on Magic Reamers. I think and in fact know, there are magic barrels. How would one know if the reamer was magic or the barrel, in any particular case, even if the same barrel was chambered with both reamers in some sort of succession? Perhaps that barrel wanted the chamber in the particular place it shot best in. Now, let's see, which reamer did we use first? Now different reamer styles, another matter.

    Pete
    Well, friend Pete, put this down to stuff you are clueless about.
    Since you resurected the past merits of Chester Amick, let me share a factoid with you. All of his highest performing rifles he did with one reamer, a reamer he felt was unexplicably unique and stated to me more than once, he would be at a major loss if it ever chiped or needed freshening cause it was never gonna leave his shop....ever. Granted his accomplishments paled in comparison with your woodsy charm but I thought it was worth a mention. Let us know when you build 5 different rifles that shoot 250 25X's.
    Now.....inflated egos? Who knows. Blockheads, however......we've got plenty IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Well, friend Pete, put this down to stuff you are clueless about.
    Since you resurected the past merits of Chester Amick, let me share a factoid with you. All of his highest performing rifles he did with one reamer, a reamer he felt was unexplicably unique and stated to me more than once, he would be at a major loss if it ever chiped or needed freshening cause it was never gonna leave his shop....ever. Granted his accomplishments paled in comparison with your woodsy charm but I thought it was worth a mention. Let us know when you build 5 different rifles that shoot 250 25X's.
    Now.....inflated egos? Who knows. Blockheads, however......we've got plenty IMHO.
    Tim - I quote you, "clueless about", "woodsy charm" and "blockheads". This sounds like you belong on another forum. I had the impression that all of us deserve some respect. We can share information in an adult manner, respecting everyone and their opinion. Arrogance never helps anyone, including the arrogant.

    27-T

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    Sorry i questioned you. Good luck with your reamer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 27-T View Post
    Tim - I quote you, "clueless about", "woodsy charm" and "blockheads". This sounds like you belong on another forum. I had the impression that all of us deserve some respect. We can share information in an adult manner, respecting everyone and their opinion. Arrogance never helps anyone, including the arrogant.

    27-T
    Well you should, perhaps, avail yourself of the search function, there is a rather rich history here of misinformation and unfounded supposition. This particular topic I happen to know a wealth of first hand information about.
    That said, a pretty strong sanction from someone with little history that is cloaked behind an unidentifiable screen name. At the end of the day you may wish, if offended, to simply not read the posts.

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    Tim

    I'm thinking 27-T is right on this one....

    That out of the way, what you're actually saying (me too) is that folks that can simply toss a barrel and get a new one at any time will win more than those that can't. If that's not what you're saying, bottom line, please correct me on this. I'm not likely to change my line of thinking but I don't want to say you and me have the same opinion if it ain't so.

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    .Rimfire and rimfire only. I can take a2deg. chamber and make it 1.3 or something else. With a poured lead lap. With the right compound. Carbon ring may come to play with lapping. You or me or no onel can do this with a patch or a felt pad without changing the chamber in the wrong place.
    Gordon

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    Pete, glad you've found something you like.
    Right or wrong, its what I got in there now & have been quite happy with it.
    Have a safe trip Pete.

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