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    A Downward Sprial

    I've noticed a slow downward spiraling of benchrest.com for a few years now. It's not what it used to be. What is this site doing, or not doing, that has good people stepping away from it? What's the root cause?

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    What do you think is the cause?

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    Stopped in the fog tonight so I have time. I think it just reflects society in general. People argue more about everything than ever. I would think your readership or whatever you call it is probably up. Maybe? Some of the people that don't need this site probably see things differently than the ones still learning like me do. I read and learn and get ideas from here in a month than it would take years without it. The best days of this country have passed. It will stay about like it is for some time yet. Find a way to be happy and enjoy life and family. Did I mention thankyou Wilbur.

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    We came through a depression. We came through WWII. Our problems today are small potatoes. We are doing well enough to have too much time on our hands, so we sit and invent problems to worry about. Live, love, have fun, do the best that you can, and stop worrying about the little ups and downs. We are very lucky, but often not smart enough to realize it. This site is about a sport that is aging out. It is not a disaster, it is the normal way of things. Go to a public range. Look around, think about what it was like 30 years ago. If we want to preserve what we know, we all need to find someone that is bright, and who is at the point where he might be ready to stop buying his ammo, and teach him how to reload, or perhaps someone who has rudimentary reloading down, who seems to have the itch to make his rifles shoot better than they are. Find a range that needs fixing up, and organize some shooters and do it, and while you are at it, have some fun. Benchrest exists as part of a much larger shooting community, and there has been a generational disconnect that it is not too late to fix, but we won't do that playing with our toys, and preaching to the converted. We will now sing "Rock of Ages" while the collection plate is passed. ;-)

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    IMO, one major cause is these keyboard shooters who will not use their real name. For any of them to have credibility with me I need to know who they are. If I can see their name in some match reports, it means they are benchrest shooters. They can be on the bottom or the top and still have credibility and still have something to offer. One of the best benchrest respected shooters I know stays near the bottom. He has been shooting probably longer than CCBW and a lot longer than myself.

    CCBW knows who I am talking about. Why is he not on this forum? Probably doesn't have the time since he is still a practicing surgeon. Colorado Joe or Mickey Mouse? No!! If they are benchrest shooters and can show proof then they just might be worth listening to.

    Why are many of the known top shooters not here. What could they expect to learn from Mickey Mouse or Pecos Johnnyhouse?

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    Well said Jerry.

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    I've noticed that some people don't realize to whom they are speaking in a thread, when this person is an expert in the field. This ignorant (to the facts, not necessarily "ignorant") poster then goes off on a tirade that they know better than this expert. This angers and insults the expert to the point that they throw up their hands and leave. Sound familiar?

    I think this as much as anything contributes to the "downward spiral" as well as a loss of knowledge sharing.

    Pat

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    I think it's because of the State of the Art

    There isn't much new in the way of shooting benchrest. Most things are pretty close to perfected and the knowledge to get all of it there has pretty much been shared. It is not unlike the state of our society. We need good middle income jobs but nobody knows how to create them. We need to shoot more zero groups or 250-25's but nobody is able to wring that last little bit of accuracy out very often. We are in a purgatory sort of place I think but then I'm officially old so what do I know?

    Pete

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    Compared to what?

    I am not as active on Benchrest.com as I once was but I still read threads on it and I enjoy it.

    I enjoy the humor and the hints. I sometimes have trouble finding the "wisdom" that in mentioned but there are some nuggets of information and some funny things said from time to time, not to mention, some great pictures. All in all, I find quite a bit of enjoyment in reading here. Like hunting, this is not at all a waste of time.

    It brings a lot of like minded people together and keeps us off the streets.

    Concho Bill
    Last edited by Bill Wynne; 11-24-2014 at 06:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerrySharrett View Post
    IMO, one major cause is these keyboard shooters who will not use their real name. For any of them to have credibility with me I need to know who they are. If I can see their name in some match reports, it means they are benchrest shooters. They can be on the bottom or the top and still have credibility and still have something to offer. One of the best benchrest respected shooters I know stays near the bottom. He has been shooting probably longer than CCBW and a lot longer than myself.

    CCBW knows who I am talking about. Why is he not on this forum? Probably doesn't have the time since he is still a practicing surgeon. Colorado Joe or Mickey Mouse? No!! If they are benchrest shooters and can show proof then they just might be worth listening to.

    Why are many of the known top shooters not here. What could they expect to learn from Mickey Mouse or Pecos Johnnyhouse?
    Jerry what is ccbw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy06 View Post
    Jerry what is ccbw?
    If you look at Wilbur's "handle" and use your imagination you'll get it.

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    thanks
    And Wilbur.
    Thanks.

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    I was reading Boyd's post about helping young shooters get started reloading. Our club helps our county's 4-H shooting sports program. I offered to have reloading equipment and components donated and having classes to get the kids into reloading. I am in Indiana and Purdue is in charge of all statewide 4-H programs and I was told that the kids could not be taught reloading or shoot reloaded ammo in 4-H. Don't know if it's liability or the same reason they can't shoot varmint targets. Things are changing!!

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    I honestly see this site as the most useful to a new shooter like myself. Not to loud , not to rude , and just enough argument to keep thing interesting at times.
    Wilbur, Thank you. This site has hooked me up with people that have shared information with me out of the kindness of they're heart and shared they're time they didn't
    have to. The way some of you talk about keyboard shooters and the real pros stay away, I'm thinking somebody has thin skin or want more attention for the me.
    Sorry but that's what I'm seeing. If you don't what to share or join, well probably things will still work out, just in a different way.
    A big THANK YOU to the ones that post out and share.
    Happy Thanksgiving, Real name Tom Jones

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    Talking

    Quote Originally Posted by tcjones View Post
    Happy Thanksgiving, Real name Tom Jones
    Happy Thanksgiving to you also and I loved your last Album.....

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