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  1. #16
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    Nothing Wrong With a CMP 52D !

    The only difference is a US has a rear swivel,and some had ROTC experiences , The D`s that came to the CMP in 2010-2011 had been in the care of the USAF and 90% of them had seen very little use if any, these were as nice as you could find ! The Last group came from Quantico ,Va armory for CIA,USMC ,and Officers school.these also was nice 52D`s ,the ROTC returns to the CMP where abused and needed some TLC but some were OK , I have many C`s D`s & E`s from the CMP restored to OEM as well or better when they left the Winchester plant! Steve Emmert may know the exact % ,but 75-80% of all C`s & D`s have a Military pedigree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick Willy View Post
    The only difference is a US has a rear swivel,and some had ROTC experiences , The D`s that came to the CMP in 2010-2011 had been in the care of the USAF and 90% of them had seen very little use if any, these were as nice as you could find ! The Last group came from Quantico ,Va armory for CIA,USMC ,and Officers school.these also was nice 52D`s ,the ROTC returns to the CMP where abused and needed some TLC but some were OK , I have many C`s D`s & E`s from the CMP restored to OEM as well or better when they left the Winchester plant! Steve Emmert may know the exact % ,but 75-80% of all C`s & D`s have a Military pedigree!
    Thanks, SW

    The pics of my new 52D look good, but I'll post better when it arrives.

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    There were some real deals at the CMP South store a few years ago. I passed on the 52s they had then. I did pick up a 40X, 5 Anschutzs, Kimber 82G and a H&R 12. Probably my best buy was the unfired 1808 Anschutz for $600. The unfired H&R 12 at $225 was a good deal also. They wounds I sustained from the beating my wife gave me when I came home with 8 rifles have pretty much healed.

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    My Winchester 52D arrived at my FFL and I got a chance to look it over. The rifle looks barely used. Metal and bluing is almost pristine and although the stock has a few dings and dents, it is also in extremely good shape.

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    52-D Clones?

    Has anyone heard of any rifle builders putting a 52-D clone together? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksnort2 View Post
    Has anyone heard of any rifle builders putting a 52-D clone together? Thanks.
    What would you consider to be a fair price?

    Later, Frank
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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksnort2 View Post
    Has anyone heard of any rifle builders putting a 52-D clone together? Thanks.
    I've heard the H&R M12 and M5200's described as Winchester 52 clones. I have several H&R's and will examine them mode closely when I pick up my Winchester 52's from my FFL.

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    why

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksnort2 View Post
    Has anyone heard of any rifle builders putting a 52-D clone together? Thanks.
    would you want a clone when the real thing is available, and my guess is cheaper than any GOOD clone would cost. On top of that you will have the real McCoy. The 100K + 52's that were made were done in a time and by methods that will never be resurrected due to cost. Their existence is now locked in time and history and will only appreciate in value in the long run if cared for, especially if 100% original. Want a 52, get the real thing IMHO. Good luck with your quest. --Greg

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    The 52's were heat treated after machining and are seldom if ever straight and true. You are right I would not want a clone that copied these deficiencies as we have more modern and accurate means of machining. And what are you going to do for a trigger? Karl Kenyon is not making triggers any more, at least not here on earth. I'm not aware of anything made today that will fit a 52.

    Look at the Remington 700 and its clones. The clones are generally superior and cost 2 to 3 times what a high volume 700 action sells for. And triggers are NOT an issue. bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob finger View Post
    The 52's were heat treated after machining and are seldom if ever straight and true. You are right I would not want a clone that copied these deficiencies as we have more modern and accurate means of machining. And what are you going to do for a trigger? Karl Kenyon is not making triggers any more, at least not here on earth. I'm not aware of anything made today that will fit a 52.

    Look at the Remington 700 and its clones. The clones are generally superior and cost 2 to 3 times what a high volume 700 action sells for. And triggers are NOT an issue. bob
    Heat treating and the way actions are made have come along way since the way Winchester made the 52's. The Barnard actions, Bat Machine are some examples where they do some of the machining, then heat treat and then finish machine work is done. So I would say 52 actions could be made and made better than before. The hang up as you pointed out would be triggers but one place is looking at making a Kenyon copy. If so then that would be taken care of.

    My question again to Bucksnort2 is, what would he consider a fair price for a modern copy?

    The reason I ask is out of curiosity and I'm looking at reworking one to left hand for myself. Been done before so I'm gonna give it a try. Why? Because I want a left handed 52.

    Later, Frank
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    52 Triggers

    Frank:
    There are several around that can rework a stock trigger just like Karl did, They are very smooth ans consistent. As for converting a 52 to LH, I',ve been shooting a standard 52D RH Action, Left-handed for over 25 years. I had to switch due to going blind in my Right Eye. My Wife shot it RH and I shot it LH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred J View Post
    Frank:
    There are several around that can rework a stock trigger just like Karl did, They are very smooth ans consistent. As for converting a 52 to LH, I',ve been shooting a standard 52D RH Action, Left-handed for over 25 years. I had to switch due to going blind in my Right Eye. My Wife shot it RH and I shot it LH.
    And shot purty damm good with it to.

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    Fred: If someone were to build a batch of 52 action clones where would that person go to obtain triggers today? Me thinks 52 triggers are almost unobtanium in sizeable quantities. bob

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    Build the Trigger as well.

    It appears, that they would have their work cut out for them. Of course, if Frank were to build only one, then I believe he could find one.
    Last edited by Fred J; 01-18-2014 at 01:09 PM.

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    I think Nick Hughes in Oklahoma may be considering a 52. He frequents this forum occasionally. He does wonderful metal work.

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