Knowing where to hold at longer distances

[stevenorlando]

Hello All!

When shooting long range, how does a BR shooter know where to hold and/or dial in the scope, if they can't see the shot. Now for elev. you can use the reticle to some extent, but what about reading the wind? I don't think the riflescopes or the spotting scopes are powerful enough to see bullet holes out that far on the black target. If that is the case, how does a BR shooter know where to hold or dial in?

Steve

[mike in co]

there is a sightin period where target is pulled and marked with a spotter on each shot. the ibs target center is blue and shots can be seen with inexpensive scopes...hard to see when on a line. two choices, shooting for score once the string starts..hold off..for group most run and gun in what they hope is a single condition and only move the hold if the condition does not return

[Jerry H]

I don't know if it is allowed during competition, but I know some are using wireless video links to see the shots when practicing. Here is an example of one that I used in short range BR at 200 when the mirage was bad. It uses a surveillance camera with a netbook at the bench. The left part of the screenshot is the live video. The right is the wind flag sensor display. In the picture it is hard to see the bullet holes, but it is quite clear in actual usage. I think there are commercially available units if you don't want to make your own. They state ranges in excess of 1000 yards are possible.

[James M.]

What inexpensive scope allows one to see bullet holes in the blue at 600 or 1000 yards? I have not seen an expensive scope that can reliably see the holes at 600 yards here in LA. James

[mike in co]

celestron 22-67 100mm...does well in colorado at 1000 on ibs targets...it was all of $310 delievered..
there is a newer..more expensive ed for around 6/700 that was talked about on this forum.

mike in co

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What inexpensive scope allows one to see bullet holes in the blue at 600 or 1000 yards? I have not seen an expensive scope that can reliably see the holes at 600 yards here in LA. James

[Joe Salt]

Mike the guy wants to know how you get on target, not whether you can see shots with your spotting scope. He wants to know how to get on! If your three target to the right or left at a 1000 yards you better have a good spotter behind you. Steve First thing I would do is back your scope as far back in power as it will go. Then take the bolt out of the rifle, look down the bore and put it just over the top of the target. Now look though the scope and click to the bottom of the target without moving the rifle. Then when you fire the first shot, try to watch the wash from the bullet to were it hits. That's why I want you to have as little power on the scope as possible. Now all you have to do is put the crosshairs back on the bull and click to were your shot hit, its that easy!

Joe Salt

[mike in co]

thats not what he says at all joe...
go read..if you cannot SEE where the hit is..what do you do...
not that he missed but how to compensate if YOU CANNOT SEE THE HIT.

mike in co

Mike the guy wants to know how you get on target, not whether you can see shots with your spotting scope. He wants to know how to get on! If your three target to the right or left at a 1000 yards you better have a good spotter behind you. Steve First thing I would do is back your scope as far back in power as it will go. Then take the bolt out of the rifle, look down the bore and put it just over the top of the target. Now look though the scope and click to the bottom of the target without moving the rifle. Then when you fire the first shot, try to watch the wash from the bullet to were it hits. That's why I want you to have as little power on the scope as possible. Now all you have to do is put the crosshairs back on the bull and click to were your shot hit, its that easy!

Joe Salt

[Joe Salt]

Mike and if you read mine it says to back the power down on the scope so you can watch the wash of the bullet. An if you bore sight the rifle you will be close enough to see your hits. I've gotten more people on target at 1000 yards than you know. Believe me I know what I'm talking about. Why don't you tell everyone how you, Mike does it because I know we will all be much more informed. And your probably a much more accomplished shooter than I.

Joe Salt

[mike in co]

all i can say is go read my original reply....


my first shot at 1000yd based on my 200yd shooting was on target..and the SPOTTER was clearly visable.( 24" hi at 100, 48 at 200).
hit the paper and dial in plus or minus the wind..that simple.

he needs to be more specific about his question.....

ibs does not use a black bullseye...soo that is a non issue.

charts for your load will get you on paper..plain and simple.....

it has nothing to do with how many times..i did it once and was correct.
balistic data for your load...very simple.
i had data from both 100 and 200 yds...like i said got me on paper first shot.......

no i am not great 1000yds shooter..but the mechanics of getting on paper are not hard.




mike in co

[mike in co]

Hello All!

When shooting long range, how does a BR shooter know where to hold and/or dial in the scope, if they can't see the shot. Now for elev. you can use the reticle to some extent, but what about reading the wind? I don't think the riflescopes or the spotting scopes are powerful enough to see bullet holes out that far on the black target. If that is the case, how does a BR shooter know where to hold or dial in?

Steve

why would the shooter NOT see the shot is the question.

what discipline ?

[Chisolm]

why would the shooter NOT see the shot is the question.

what discipline ?

Mike,
Many (if not most) ranges only shoot at the target during the record string. All sighters are at clay pigeons on a dirt bank or at a metal gong. If you don't see the bullet hit the dirt bank you won't have any idea where it went. If you can see the vapor trail as Joe suggested it will be easier to follow the bullet to where it hit.

James

[mike in co]

ok...seems silly to show up for a MATCH and have no clue what your rifle is going to do....
i came prepared, i guess some do not...
when i shot 600yd they marked our sighters with spotters, when i shot 1000 yd they marked my sighters with spotters.
my limited experience.
thanks james
mike in co

Mike,
Many (if not most) ranges only shoot at the target during the record string. All sighters are at clay pigeons on a dirt bank or at a metal gong. If you don't see the bullet hit the dirt bank you won't have any idea where it went. If you can see the vapor trail as Joe suggested it will be easier to follow the bullet to where it hit.

James

[dmoran65]

Hello All!

When shooting long range, how does a BR shooter know where to hold and/or dial in the scope, if they can't see the shot. Now for elev. you can use the reticle to some extent, but what about reading the wind? I don't think the riflescopes or the spotting scopes are powerful enough to see bullet holes out that far on the black target. If that is the case, how does a BR shooter know where to hold or dial in?

Steve

When sighting in, we "walk them in" as Joe describes above.

When shooting the record strings, it boils down to "experienced guess-timates" on where to hold off to or how much to click in.
Its a matter of "Practice and Experience.....


Note to: Mike in Co - many ranges do not use "live pits" as you had at that match you participated in at Byers. Many use clay birds, dongs, or impact area's for sight in.

[Joe Salt]

I'm not saying your not right about the 24" above the 100 yard zero. All i'm saying is once you see your first shot hit its easy. Steve seems to be having problems seeing his first shot hit, so if you look down the bore at the target then adjust the scope so your at least in line or like you said zero at 100 or 200 the adjust the 24" you should be able to see the first shot on the bank or in front of the target. From there it back on the bull and click to the shot! Got It Steve.

Joe Salt

[alinwa]

Hello All!

When shooting long range, how does a BR shooter know where to hold and/or dial in the scope, if they can't see the shot. Now for elev. you can use the reticle to some extent, but what about reading the wind? I don't think the riflescopes or the spotting scopes are powerful enough to see bullet holes out that far on the black target. If that is the case, how does a BR shooter know where to hold or dial in?

Steve

Well I think I know what you're asking

So here goes.....HE DOESN'T!! This is why 600-1000 is sometimes called "spray-n-pray" and it does suck. I've only shot a few 600yd matches and already I'm on my third rifle setup and going for a fourth because YOU CAN'T ADJUST, you just give it your best guess and fire 5-10rds downrange as fast as you can.

I started with a Rem700, moved to a TPE and a BAT and am now building a melonited Stiller because the others are all too slow. 5th project is a 338 drop port, again melonited and 30-50lb setup at least.


All because you can't see

al