Some more of the same from the troll. Jay Lynn Gore finished 2nd in the 2 gun at the Crawfish last weekend using 8208BRX. If you want to get rid of some, contact Jay Lynn.
Originally Posted by Butch Lambert
I've got to on to him...I'm not getting those.
When David Mosley had all that "8208" at the Knoxville, TN gun show in the Spring of 2011 he had some of the big containers, looked to be about 40# each, I bought a case of 8# jugs. All of it was marked IMR 8208. According to David he had bought a few thousand pounds from government surplus and said he could get much more, like another 20,000# (as I remember he said a tank truck load and that he had first option on it). According to him it WAS NOT pulldown but was military 8208 that had NEVER been loaded. According to him the big container were what went on the loading machines for the contractor loading 223 for the military. This was all marked IMR 8208 lot AAC122910.
Originally Posted by caroby
David is the one who sold a big batch to Lester.
At the Fall 2011 Knoxville gun show I went by Davids booth and while he did have a few 8# jugs left he told me "that was all there was"-his words.
If anyone wants to follow up on this call David Mosley, Magnum Materials, 615-497-4205. Who knows, he may have some more by now.
Appreciate the info........ Have a few others REALLY interested in locating MORE...!
I had the Army Ammunition Activity run the lot number. It was never used by the military in the U.S. It finally came up as a NATO lot number from Europe, manufactured in the early 1980's but that's as far as they could get. The ammo it was loaded in was sold to a company in the U.S. who imported it and then pulled it down. All this is straight from the the Army. Took months to get that much info as AAA had to get in contact with USAREUR (United States Army Europe) G-4 to run the numbers.
Last edited by HovisKM; 05-02-2012 at 12:54 PM.
Oh...the last 10000 lbs I heard about was sold to a commercial reloader when I tried to run some down. Bummer.
I don't consider it BS since IMR 8202 XBR has NOT replaced N-133 as THE powder to win with...Occasinally a shooter will win with 8208-XBR but the vast majority are still shooting N-133....I am not blaming Lou for the lackluster performance of the production run 8208-XBR just stating the facts as they are based on results...
Originally Posted by mike in co
Mike, what great accomplisments have you had with IMR 8208-XBR..???
Or name all of the major wins at major events won with 8208-XBR...
Eddie in Texas
Kev, who you gonna' trust, the Army, David Mosley, or me? I just repeated what David told me. But, was it or was it not 8208. It sure looked like much of the 8208 lots I have seen.
Originally Posted by HovisKM
What I chronoed of this AAC122910 was some slower than most of the 18165, 18166, 18167, PD that Barnett at GI Brass used to sell (about 125 fps or so)
I had one of the better known short range gunsmiths, tell me that the big dogs, that are winning the big matches, are probably not shooting N133. Just what i was told. The more i shoot N133, and the more i learn to tune with this powder, the more i like it. I used to not think so highly of n133, Then again, I didn't know how to tune with it. Im still no king by any means, but i do understand the basics a bit better know. Having my own shooting range, and loading room all in one, I get a chance to shoot lots and lots of bullets. Matter a fact, i am having a hard time keeping up with components. LOL!! It sucks, i know!!! Lee
you missed the intent.
it was a comment on what hodgden said about the powder....
i agree the powder aint what was asked for nor promised.
as an aside it is awesum in 308win........
i have one of the early lots of imr8208..but i also have 4 additional lots from thunderbird thru some 90's pull down.
were on the same side...of this i believe...
mike in co
Originally Posted by w w1350
Originally Posted by JerrySharrett
If this powder was us goverment powder it would have been cataloged...it is not. The micro structure under a higb power high quality microscope comfirms it is not 8208...not even close.
I have seen some of the powder that has been more recently sold as surplus 8208, and although it seems to be satisfactory for the intended use, examination of the shape of the grains reveals that it does not look the same as powder previously sold as 8208. I have heard some speculation about it being of European manufacture. The grains are longer, relative to their diameters, and their ends more irregular. None of this matters if the result is good, but it is what I observed. Have any of you tried the Swiss Precision powder that Widner's is selling?http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...r=278|283|1013
Kevin, all I can tell you about this AAC122910 is what I saw on the 8# jug labels and the big containers. As to the source, David buys a lot of surplus loading supplies from the US government and he said this came from one of those ordinance surplus sales. He said the powder was not pulldown and he got it from an ordinance. Call him yourself is all I can say. His number is 615-497-4205.
Originally Posted by HovisKM
Does anyone really know when and if this LT32 powder will be available for sale ?
I contacted accurate powders, they said still waiting approval maybe by the end of summer..
but was wondering if anyone knew any more?
While we are waiting for LT 32 to make it through the federal maze, you might give some attention to the Canadian 2015 that is available. LT 32 is a little faster than 133 and the Canadian 2015 is a bit slower, but still quite useable. In fact for you middle node guys, it may actually be better, because of case filling issues. Both powders have the same chemistry, and fine,easily thrown grain size.
A friend that shot it at Visalia yesterday reports that although it makes more powder fouling than 133 (what doesn't?) the fouling is easy to remove... not a problem. The day before, I asked Lou what he had had to do to deal with the high afternoon heat, and he told me that the load that he worked up in the morning still shot well in the heat of the late afternoon, with a slight raising of inpact point being the only difference. This is in contrast with the usual drill with 133. It got up to 102-103 yesterday, and is supposed to be hotter today, and pretty dry. I will be interested to hear more details. Yesterday, shooting the 2015 in his rail, a friend, mistakenly shot his first shot on the record target, and then went down to the sighter, and figured his hold off, and shot a small one to win that match, so for him, it seems to be working just fine. To get to the same velocity, he had to go up about a grain from his 133 load, but that was not a problem. He had the room.
On an unrelated note, the plan for the day is to take our lunch up to Huntington lake at about 7,000 ft. to escape the heat. It will be 106 in Fresno today, and it should only make it up to 77 there. It is nice to have that option. I will take a few pictures. It is a really pretty place. If there is some wind, the sail boats should be on the lake.
Last edited by Boyd Allen; 06-17-2012 at 12:29 PM.